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Old 01-09-2010, 12:16   #1
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Clint Smith on the 870 Remington. Video link.

Thunder Ranch's directer with a few thoughts on the 870. Short 3 1/2 minute clip. I found it kinda interesting and seem to share much the same ideas regarding a defensive shotgun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdW2TAfN3mQ
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:59   #2
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Clint, as always, gets right to the basics. He is not alone, BTW, in his recommendation to keep it simple. Most folks that are true combat shotgun instructors, as opposed to folks who just teach people how to use the shotgun, all have fairly plain-jane guns without all sorts of bells and whistles on them.
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Old 01-09-2010, 13:34   #3
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I have been saying the exact same things on all these blogs and on my web site for several years and getting attacked at every turn. I don't build "Tacti-cool" or as I call them "Tacti-fool" shotguns. It gets a little dishearting some times being atacked for what I know is right and to see a Professional like this guy affirm my convicitons about the 870 and about fighting shotguns was an uplifting expirience. One of my employees has been telling me about Clint Smith but I have never read nor seen any of his work. I am going to make it a point to do some research as the guy knows his stuff.

Thank you Dr. J for posting this and I hope some of the guys here watch it and take Clints advice as it may very well save thier lives if they ever have to use a shotgun in a fight.
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Old 01-09-2010, 13:42   #4
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Here's another one on shotguns in general. I've seen it linked here before. The basic premise is, "What you have is most times all you really need."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

I always need to hit pause for a short while to let the videos load. Then hit play.
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Old 01-09-2010, 15:05   #5
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I love this guy, i think he keeps it to the K.I.S.S theme.
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Old 01-10-2010, 22:53   #6
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Oh good, none of my shotguns are tactical. I thought one might have been, but after seeing his 'Thunder Ranch' emblazoned Marine gun, mine is not any more 'tricked' than his is.
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Old 01-11-2010, 21:22   #7
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Oh good, none of my shotguns are tactical. I thought one might have been, but after seeing his 'Thunder Ranch' emblazoned Marine gun, mine is not any more 'tricked' than his is.
I thought he more or less used that as an example of an "elaborate" shotgun. Since he repeated it more than once while describing that particular 870 of his. Rather preferring 'plain-jane', stating "This is the way I buy them end use them", while holding up the simple wood-stocked example.

e⋅lab⋅o⋅rate: marked by excessive detail; complicated.
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Old 01-11-2010, 23:14   #8
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Dr. J Frame, you are correct. He left no doubt that the best fighting shotgun is a basic one.

I give my clients three important key points when asking me to build them a shotgun for HD. They are 1. Keep it basic 2. Keep it basic and 3. Keep it basic.

These videos where a great find. thanks again.
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Old 01-11-2010, 23:18   #9
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I don't build "Tacti-cool" or as I call them "Tacti-fool" shotguns.
Tactifool. NICE. Win.

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I have been meaning to dump my Benelli forever in favor of an 870 but I just haven't gotten around to it. I am always on the hunt for the beat up old 870 for cheap.

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Old 01-12-2010, 01:35   #11
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Hey David. Just read your piece on the .38. I often carry a S&W mod 36 in the summer and really enjoyed the read. I've had that little baby for 18 years. Anyway, Great common sence reading that can save your A double S if you understand it and accept the truth. Sad thing is to many people are influenced by the only things they see that envolve guns and that is T.V and Movies. There are idiots all over carrying S&W .50 cals and god knows what else.

I will refer people to that article as it is dead on and very well written.
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Old 01-12-2010, 13:33   #12
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Thanks. I'm always open for additional articles to put up there if you are interested or know of anyone who is interested in writing something in that "mythology" format.
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Hey David. Just read your piece on the .38. I often carry a S&W mod 36 in the summer and really enjoyed the read.
Yea, David, that was a good article. I'm a big fan of S&W Centennials and snub-noses in general(username). My shooting buddies consider them dinosaurs, but I consider 5-shot wheelguns as good, or better, then whatever the new thing is they're carrying this week.

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Here's another one on shotguns in general. I've seen it linked here before. The basic premise is, "What you have is most times all you really need."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

I always need to hit pause for a short while to let the videos load. Then hit play.
Love the statement near the end "You don't need a $1,000 shotgun, you need to learn to run the one you got."


This is about as tacticool as I get. Mossberg 500 with 18.5" heavy wall barrel and accu-choke tubes in it.

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The Remington 870 Express has a 20" slug barrel on it. No photos handy.
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Old 01-13-2010, 19:45   #15
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1980 model Remington 870 Wingmaster 'Police'. (According to the nice folks at Remington.)
Gunshow find, just as you see it. $210.00 OTD.
20" barrel. 2-3/4" chamber.
It had been fired no more than a couple of times.
The carrier (shell lifter) didn't even have a mark on it, from being loaded.

The owner's widow wanted nothing to do with this shotgun.

I do!!!!
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Old 01-13-2010, 23:36   #16
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I like Clint Smith, he seems like a down to earth dude that's smarter than he looks. The next 50 bucks I come across I'm goin to buy his shotgun video.

The wife and I watched this 7 part youtube series tonight, by Gunsite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMHR0VGXwG0&NR=1
It starts out kinda slow but ends up being pretty good and real informative (we especially liked the way they loaded the shells). They also used the 870s for demonstration, I might have to get one of these too...
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Always liked Clint. Doesnt promote all the tacticool gadgets mounted all over the gun that driver the price up or the person gets them and has not clue how to use them
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Always liked Clint. Doesnt promote all the tacticool gadgets mounted all over the gun that driver the price up or the person gets them and has not clue how to use them
His signature pistol follows the same simplicity, for a 1911. Single-sided safety, solid trigger, Series 70 internals, shipped with 7-round mags(as opposed to 8's), etc. A little spendy though on the Baer end. $2,000
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Old 01-14-2010, 06:52   #19
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While I have a Scattergun Technologies 870 with all the extras, I have to agree with Clint that the Plain Jane 870 will get the job done. One just like the one he was caressing in the video kept me OUT OF more gunfights during my law enforcement career than I'd ever like to admit!
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I love the very plain guns.
If I will buy a pump action (which may happen this year) I will look for the basic model of 870.
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