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Old 01-18-2010, 17:03   #1
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Loading for kids.

Spent the day at the range yesterday with the SIL, grandson and one of my shooting buddies.

Second time we've taken my grandson shooting... all I've heard for the last week was, 'Nono, (Italian for grandfather), when are we going shooting again?' Little rugrat went so far as to hide my Viagra and hold 'em hostage until I took him again. Got 'em back last night... now I lock 'em in the gun safe. Rotten little kid.

Being a proud Nono I took pictures again, for sentimental reasons plus it helps to study them at home and analyze his stance, etc.

Along with the guns and ammo the 'big people' were going to shoot brought a brick of .22's for the young'un. Last week had him shoot a standard Browning Buckmark, this week brought him a Buckmark with a fluted Tactical Solutions barrel. Two inches longer but considerably lighter. Turns out he was able to hold it at eye level without a problem... all day long. All day... wish I had his energy... I was ready to leave two hours before I ended up dragging him off the range. The sun was going down and he didn't want to stop.

Last week we started him out at twelve yards and quickly had him back to fifteen. He kept knocking down all the steel and everyone got tired of setting it up again every couple of minutes.

Fixed his little wagon this week, we brought swinging steel instead of knockdowns and set him up at twenty yards. Was looking forward to a few hours of just gunshots, no clang, clang, clang. So much for well laid plans.

Kid is showing signs of having some natural ability, (shouldn't come as any surprise considering the superior genetic genes he comes from. ) He had steel constantly moving like a screen door swinging in a wind storm. Damn show off.

Didn't want him to get over confident so when he was about to run out of .22's I decided to let him learn some humility with my S&W's 586 and 686. I load what we would all consider fairly light to medium .38's. 162 grain SWC under 3.7 grains of Bullseye. My bones and rheumatoid arthritis won't let me shoot stuff much hotter than that... at least not a lot of 'em.

Loaded one shot at a time for him and showed him how to shoot single action. Consistently hit eight inch round steel and a 14x14 inch steel plate from twenty yards. (Maybe there is a glimmer of hope for the Navy Seal thing.)

While his father was keeping an eye on him my buddy, Deak, and I came up with a master plan. I'm going to load him up his very own loads... I'm thinking of 121 grain RN or TC, I have the moulds for both, over a fairy light charge of Clays, (I have ten pounds just sitting around.) Instead of the heavy 586 or 686 I'll bring him out either a Model 15 or a Model 65 to keep the weight down. I suppose he could even handle my Model 66 but that's my old duty gun with Jordan Trooper grips on it... they're way too big for his hands.

With the price of .22's it really won't cost much more to load .38's and with his energy it probably won't be much of a challenge for him to get three to five thousand rounds under his belt by fall.

If he gets to the point where he wants to learn to shoot semi's he's picking up the brass but I'd rather he spends a few years with revolvers... learn to shoot NRA style targets to develop his eye and control.

Okay, now what you've been dreading... the proud grandfather photos... sorry.


The Buckmark I had him shooting. Fun little gun.
Reloading


Made him wear one of my old bullet proof vests. Hope he doesn't fall into a lake.
Reloading

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Old 01-18-2010, 17:15   #2
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Steel targets, 20 yards.

Reloading

First time with a rifle. My buddy Deak in the foreground.

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Typical for first time rifle shooter, tried to roll his cheek over the stock and use his left eye. Fixed that little problem. Ended up with just a small strip of black tape in the center of the lens. He got bored with the 20 yard thing real quick.
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I'm enjoying shooting and loading more now than I have in years. Hope I'm around long enough to teach him 100 yard pistol shooting... at least long enough to teach him how to load. Sorry for taking up your time... I'm proud.

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Old 01-18-2010, 17:31   #3
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Thats great Jack !
Thanks for sharing.

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Old 01-18-2010, 17:48   #4
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Looks like you three had alot of fun. A few years back I taught my kids how to shoot started them all out on a bolt action 22lr and let them shoot pump actions and lever guns in 22 only after they had mastered the bolt. Had alot of fun but it will be 6 more years before the oldest grandson turns 10.

In Kansas they have a hunter safty program that is very good. I have enjoyed it every time I have taken it three times so far

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Old 01-18-2010, 17:52   #5
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Sounds like a great day! And Proud Nono! How long till you have him casting?
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Old 01-18-2010, 17:55   #6
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it's always great to start them young, as with anything, the younger they start, the better they'll be in the end.
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Old 01-18-2010, 18:25   #7
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Well Jack at least you got your Viagra back.
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Old 01-18-2010, 19:27   #8
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Well done Jack!

BTW, is that a red dot target on the back of your vest?

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Old 01-18-2010, 19:45   #9
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Well done Jack!

BTW, is that a red dot target on the back of your vest?

Don

When I was working I had a bit of 'gallows humor', that's just a little red target I made with a magic marker with the words, 'Shoot Bi-ch' underneath.

The first vest I had was a Second Chance, took it to the mall where they made 'T'-shirts and had a big Yosemite Sam put on the front. Sent it Back to Second Chance after I jumped into a canal after a drowning victim, (they sent me a new one for free), after they got it in the mail they sent me a letter telling me the heat used to apply it weakened they vest and not to do it again. (Basically they yelled at me.)

Hence the small target on this vest. (I don't know why I bothered, most of the people I arrested couldn't read.)

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Old 01-18-2010, 20:05   #10
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Looks like a great time Jack. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:11   #11
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Truly a "Day to Remember." That you and SIL and Grandson will remember for a lifetime. Great. Thanks for sharing.
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When I was working I had a bit of 'gallows humor', that's just a little red target I made with a magic marker with the words, 'Shoot Bi-ch' underneath.
You having gallows humor, who would've imagined..

Nice pics.

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Typical for first time rifle shooter, tried to roll his cheek over the stock and use his left eye. Fixed that little problem. Ended up with just a small strip of black tape in the center of the lens. He got bored with the 20 yard thing real quick.


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If he is trying to roll his head over and use his left eye he is most likely cross dominant. That means his right hand is his dominant hand, but his left eye is his dominant eye.

Occluding the left eye like you did is one method of dealing with cross dominance. But for long guns I prefer to get them shooting left handed.

It won't make a lot of difference until he tries to shoot with both eyes open. The dominant eye will take over the moment it is uncovered.

As for the light handloads, recoil should be just a bit more than the .22LR and the kid should love them.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:00   #14
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Good stuff, Jack.

Is there a way to buy a grandkid and skip the whole kid thing? I need someone to prep brass.
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:45   #15
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Jack,
Good read. You're doing the right thing, and I KNOW you are enjoying it.

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Aw, come on now - that would just be cheating!
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Looks like he's about ready for his first snipe hunt. Time to dig out the candle and burlap bag...
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Looks like he's about ready for his first snipe hunt. Time to dig out the candle and burlap bag...
...and the tactical spork to defend himself if necessary.
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Good stuff Jack. Navy Seal or maybe the next Jack Bauer?
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