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Old 01-19-2010, 11:27   #1
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Educate Me About AR Handguards

I'm putting together a non-LEO, non-combat, shoot-once-in-a-while SHTF Sabre Defence SBR.

I'd like to have rail options.

I don't need a floater.

But the prices for railed handguards/foregrips are all over the map.

Polymer? Aluminum? Unobtainium?

What's the best quality railed handguard for the most practical price?

And why?

Thanks
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:34   #2
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The DD Omega rail has had some sales lately for $179-$199.

IMO that would be the best rail for the $$$.
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Old 01-19-2010, 11:46   #3
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I have the Magpul MOE on one of my rifles and really like the look and feel of it. The only accessory I wanted to mount was a light so I just got the following MI rail to attach to the handguard.

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https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Prod...tCode=MCTAR-03
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Old 01-19-2010, 13:04   #4
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Look around for some used ones like YHM if your lucky. As long as they are a good manufacturer you will not have any problems other then cosmetic. People may be willing to trade you if your willing to part with something you don't need. Most of the good labels are hard as rock and you should not worry about bent metal, just scratches. I would never buy new expensive rails as long as they were not bent or stolen.
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Old 01-19-2010, 13:05   #5
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I've used several quad-rail fores in the last couple years...

1) UTG 2 piece - $60 - well made, nice finish & fit, bit heavy, range use, best bang for $

2) Mid West Ind 2 piece - $135 - well made, good fit and finish, good tight fit

3) Surefire Mid 2 piece - $205 - very well made, good fit and finish, good tight fit, heavy

4) Samson 10" - $275 - very well made, very good finish and tight fit, very heavy

Sold 1, 3 & 4, kept the MI 2 piece. Not too heavy, felt the best to me...

Quad-rails fall in the personal preference category. You'll have to handle a few before you get the feel; especially, the weight difference, as in the balance of the rifle. Carbine & Mid length gas systems - will feel different to you than to me using different brand quad-rails.

Hope this helps...
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Old 01-19-2010, 15:46   #6
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YHM is the best buy for the buck. No reason not to go freefloating
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Old 01-19-2010, 16:46   #7
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YHM is the best buy for the buck. No reason not to go freefloating
Is a free floater easy to install if you've never done one before?

any special tools or pieces required?

if so, do they come with the floater?

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Old 01-19-2010, 16:59   #8
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daniel defense omega rails do not require special tools, if that helps your decision
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Old 01-19-2010, 17:06   #9
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Plus 1 on the DD Omega. Solid lock up and great machining.
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Old 01-20-2010, 02:28   #10
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I've been told to go with the mostest and bestest I can afford, like the Daniel Defense or Omega Industries. Then again, if the $50-60 UTG works the same and you're only using it casually and not like a soldier, then what the hey? By the time you wear out 4 sets of UTG, you're still ahead of 1 set of DD or OI rails... and I doubt you can go through 4 sets of UTG in a lifetime unless you like throwing them in front of trains.
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Old 01-20-2010, 12:18   #11
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Is a free floater easy to install if you've never done one before?

any special tools or pieces required?

if so, do they come with the floater?

thnx
Some FF are drop-in, two halves that bolt together.
Other FF are one piece, and require more work and tools (that yes, you'll have to buy). I think most often, this would include an AR wrench. You'll also have to remove the FSB and flash hider/gas tube to slide the rail on. Here's an example...

http://www.laruetactical.us/pics/han...video_0001.wmv




For a non-ff, I have this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-...20mrf%20di.htm

I love it. Took me about 10min to install. Hardest part is holding down the delta ring. Would be easier with an extra set of hands.
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Old 01-20-2010, 15:22   #12
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Some FF are drop-in, two halves that bolt together.
Other FF are one piece, and require more work and tools (that yes, you'll have to buy). I think most often, this would include an AR wrench. You'll also have to remove the FSB and flash hider/gas tube to slide the rail on. Here's an example...

http://www.laruetactical.us/pics/han...video_0001.wmv




For a non-ff, I have this:

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-...20mrf%20di.htm

I love it. Took me about 10min to install. Hardest part is holding down the delta ring. Would be easier with an extra set of hands.

Thanks for the info.

I can do the drop-in's.

I use work gloves and wrap a piece of thick chord around the ring with two pieces hanging down each side. I pull down with both hands while my wife (that second set of hands) removes the other guard.

Works pretty good.
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Old 01-20-2010, 15:34   #13
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Love my Magpul MOE handguards. But for a rock solid rifle, nothing more rigid than a ff tube.
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Old 01-20-2010, 16:02   #14
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I'm new to AR's and don't own one yet, but I can't help but think, man that's a lot of money for a piece of metal to hang stuff off of. Of course they do look cool too.

I like the Magpul MOE's (price) and may go with a carbine length gas system rather then a mid length because of it.

Then again I'm trying to think of what exactly I need a rail for?

A white light might be nice, but I really can't think of anything else at the moment...but that may change 1000 rounds and 6 months later.
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Old 01-20-2010, 16:34   #15
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The key is to have adaptability and a rigid platform for optics and sights. Few options with old school handguards
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Old 01-20-2010, 16:53   #16
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DD Omega if you want to float it and Troy drop in if you don't. I picked up the Troy for $125 shipped ans it is rock solid.
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Old 01-20-2010, 17:05   #17
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I use a KAC M4RAS.....Knights Armament...Mil contractor, standard issue on our M4. Sturdy, rugged as hell, well made, solid mount...non FF.

Online sites have them from upper $200 to mid $300....not cheap.

I got mine NIB, CAGE and NSN numbers in tact on MIL contract packaging, with 9 rails for way less than going rate. You can find used ones for a tad over $100 on several sites. KAC also sells slightly blemished ones for around $150...?? Have not seen those though.

Troy MRF-DI is also super nice and very well made. This rail is standard on one version of the M&P15. Around $150.

Daniel Defense Omega rail [lite?] is also a superb rail. They run in the mid $200 range I think.....BCM had them on sale for $179 a little while back.

Midwest Industries is also very good equipment.

I had no need for FF and I know KAC quality and reliability so for me it was a no brainer.

Lots of good input on this threade.....lots of good rails out there.
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Old 01-20-2010, 21:25   #18
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thnx for all the info

went with a MI non-floater from a member here

$70 shipped, so that outta work for non-union use
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The only thing I can say for sure is that I realized in short order that it is alot better to remove them with a tool specifically for handguards.
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Old 01-21-2010, 08:50   #20
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The AR handguard removal tool is about $15 from www.sportsmansguide.com and I think I need one too....
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