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Old 01-20-2010, 20:28   #21
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I don't get what so funny. Lots of people like to make a WWB duplication load.
OP asked for BEST load. WWB is a best load?
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Old 01-20-2010, 20:29   #22
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See that dudel... now you've confused, and quite possibly insulted C4W... it appears that both you and RustyFN have to learn to behave yourself. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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Old 01-20-2010, 21:09   #23
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Hey guys I have a quick question, I loaded some 9mm 124gr FMJ w/ 4.2gr of W-231. The only issue is that I set the OAL to 1.117. If I am right I should have set it to 1.130. Would the 1.117 OAL be safe to shoot or should I just pull them?
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Since 4.2 is a starting load and the Lee manual list the Min COL as 1.095 I would go ahead and shoot them.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:40   #24
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WWB duplication is your best load?
Yep.

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My best load may not work worth a darn in your gun. ..........................
Unlike your load, mine works great in all 9mm firearms.
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Old 01-21-2010, 09:12   #25
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OP asked for BEST load. WWB duplication load is a best load?
I fixed it for you. Still don't get it.
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Hey guys I have a quick question, I loaded some 9mm 124gr FMJ w/ 4.2gr of W-231. The only issue is that I set the OAL to 1.117. If I am right I should have set it to 1.130. Would the 1.117 OAL be safe to shoot or should I just pull them?
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Your fine, I load exactly the same but at 1.120-1.125. I have another batch 124 FMJ with 4.6 of 231 at 1.130-1.135. Shoots great, but don't take my word without doing your homework!
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Old 01-21-2010, 17:50   #27
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Yep.

Unlike your load, mine works great in all 9mm firearms.

Yep, we can all throw away all our pet loads, and just use WWB duplicate loads because it "works great in all 9mm firearms".

When I develop a load, I don't care it it doesn't work well in all guns; just MY guns. Commercial ammo has to work in all guns, mine doesn't. As a result, they make compromises, I don't have to. I can tune the load for my purpose, and my guns.

The whole purpose of reloading (at least to me) is to find the right load, the best load, for a particular gun. Do you really believe that WWB is a great load for "all" 9mm firearms?

I got some waterfront property for you.

A buddy of mine shoots WWB. Since he doesn't reload, I get the brass. So, I love WWB, I just don't shoot it anymore. I don't because I can do better, much better.

People duplicate loads all the time. Normally they try to duplicate a high priced commercial SD load. That way, when they practice, they are practicing with same/similar, recoil, rise, blast, penetration, etc. By duplicating a high priced load, they save money.

Why would anyone want to duplicate the cheapest, least stellar commercial, lowest QCed, mass produced load available? Is there a less stellar load than WWB? If there is, I can't think of it. WWB is what people get when they can't find/afford anything else. I've never heard of WWB being anyone's first choice for ammo unless they were just wanting to make noise or they didn't know better. BTW, my buddy gets it because he just wants to make noise.

Yep, all the top shooters are using WWB.
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Old 01-21-2010, 18:17   #28
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Yep, we can all throw away all our pet loads, and just use WWB duplicate loads because it "works great in all 9mm firearms".

When I develop a load, I don't care it it doesn't work well in all guns; just MY guns. Commercial ammo has to work in all guns, mine doesn't. As a result, they make compromises, I don't have to. I can tune the load for my purpose, and my guns.

The whole purpose of reloading (at least to me) is to find the right load, the best load, for a particular gun. Do you really believe that WWB is a great load for "all" 9mm firearms?

I got some waterfront property for you.

A buddy of mine shoots WWB. Since he doesn't reload, I get the brass. So, I love WWB, I just don't shoot it anymore. I don't because I can do better, much better.

People duplicate loads all the time. Normally they try to duplicate a high priced commercial SD load. That way, when they practice, they are practicing with same/similar, recoil, rise, blast, penetration, etc. By duplicating a high priced load, they save money.

Why would anyone want to duplicate the cheapest, least stellar commercial, lowest QCed, mass produced load available? Is there a less stellar load than WWB? If there is, I can't think of it. WWB is what people get when they can't find/afford anything else. I've never heard of WWB being anyone's first choice for ammo unless they were just wanting to make noise or they didn't know better. BTW, my buddy gets it because he just wants to make noise.

Yep, all the top shooters are using WWB.
LOL!!!

I recognize that toxicity.

You've been here before in another life.
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LOL!!!

I recognize that toxicity.

You've been here before in another life.
You must be related to the president. Can't deal with facts.
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I fixed it for you. Still don't get it.
WWB is not known for being accurate. Here is an example of WWB accuracy shot from a Ransom rest.

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7313
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http://www.gssfonline.com/results/2009/2009stx.pdf
If you think WWB is no good go too the link above and look at the times and scores for Tony Clemens. He is known as White Box Tony. That is all that he and his wife shoot. He says he does not have time too reload. Most of the time he doesn’t even get in any practice before a match. And he is a Master Class shooter.
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Old 01-21-2010, 18:51   #32
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Old 01-21-2010, 19:07   #33
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They were shooting

WWB IN THE MOVIE "WANTED". Did you see what that bullet did?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_p9VIBYo1E
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If you think WWB is no good go too the link above and look at the times and scores for Tony Clemens. He is known as White Box Tony. That is all that he and his wife shoot. He says he does not have time too reload. Most of the time he doesn’t even get in any practice before a match. And he is a Master Class shooter.
I know lots of folks who shoot WWB and some who do really well with it. Do I think an experienced hand loader can do better? sure. Most gun games don't require pin point accuracy. WWB served me well for the first couple years I started shooting IDPA. Now I reload my own, save a bit of money and have the advantage of finding what works best in each of three guns I shoot for IDPA/USPSA.

I have no issue with WWB. It works well enough in a variety of guns at various ranges. If I was feeling really lazy and was out of my home brewed, I would break out a box or two from the couple cases that have been sitting in my closet for two years.
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Oh my, I am sure that his loads shoot better than that WWB crap.
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Jack my New Years resolution was to try and be a little nicer. I haven't mentioned the FCD in at least a week.

Yes Rusty, you've been a very good boy lately... I figured you were sick.

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If you think WWB is no good go too the link above and look at the times and scores for Tony Clemens. He is known as White Box Tony. That is all that he and his wife shoot. He says he does not have time too reload. Most of the time he doesn’t even get in any practice before a match. And he is a Master Class shooter.
WWB is clearly good enough...but when you can make slightly better ammo for half the cost, why wouldn't you? Reasons that come to mind...

1) you just don't have time to reload
2) you don't have the space for reloading
3) you have enough $ that you don't care about the cost difference

Those of us of limited skill may even shoot our reloads better than we'd shoot factory. If you're one of the top GSSF masters, then ammo brand and small differences in felt recoil probably make little to no difference.
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I am also trying to be nice and a little funny. I don't think its working.
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WWB is not known for being accurate. Here is an example of WWB accuracy shot from a Ransom rest.

http://www.glockpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7313
Rusty, that pretty well mimics my experience with it as well. I've only ran through a few hundred rounds of it in a couple of calibers but for me, I'd call the results more of a "pattern" more than a "group". Some people seem to do well with it...I can only surmise this can be explained by the lot qualities being of varied consistency. The same guns shoot both my handloads and several premium defensive loads very well.
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Yes Rusty, you've been a very good boy lately... I figured you were sick.

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Hey Jack, I haven't mentioned Lee's four letter die either in a while......

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