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Old 02-15-2010, 17:22   #1
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Time to rotate ammunition...what do you use for CCW and why?

It's about time to shoot the older stuff and replace it. I've been using primarily Speer Gold in all calibers, but open to other thoughts.

I live in South Florida so heavy clothing isn't much of an issue.

Currently I have the Ruger LCP loaded with Cor Bon DPX .380

What do you or your agency use in the following:

9mm (leaning toward HST 124+p, DPX or Win Ranger -T)

.40

.45

.357sig

.357 mag (currently Golden Saber or Gold Dot)

.38 (currently using Speer SB)
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Old 02-15-2010, 17:32   #2
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Cor-bon is a great brand to stick with. I carry Pow'r Ball in 9mm and .45.
It feeds in anything and expands violently.
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Old 02-15-2010, 20:13   #3
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It's about time to shoot the older stuff and replace it. I've been using primarily Speer Gold in all calibers, but open to other thoughts.

I live in South Florida so heavy clothing isn't much of an issue.

Currently I have the Ruger LCP loaded with Cor Bon DPX .380

What do you or your agency use in the following:

9mm (leaning toward HST 124+p, DPX or Win Ranger -T)
Any 124gr+P JHP
.40
Any 165gr-180gr JHP
.45
ANy 185gr-230gr JHP
.357sig
125gr SPeerGD, Ranger T, RemGS
.357 mag (currently Golden Saber or Gold Dot)
145grWSTHP, any SpeerGD, any RemGS
.38 (currently using Speer SB)
Win. or Rem. 158grLSWCHP+P
I think too many guys worry about shooting the latest & greatest. If it's reliable & high quality, I would use it. The diff between HSt, Win T, SpeerGD, Rem, Gs, etc, are measured w/ calipers. Yes I would still use Hydrashoks, they do still work. Just stay away from the bulk packed JHP by Rem. Win & others. Not what I would deem high quality.
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Old 02-15-2010, 20:20   #4
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180 grn PDX1/Ranger bonded 40 S&W in my G22 and my Kahr P40 everyone else in my dept that carries a G22 uses 180 grn Speer Gold Dots.
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Old 02-15-2010, 22:38   #5
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What's wrong with Gold Dots? Why change?

But if you feel a change is necessary, you could get some ideas here...
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:17   #6
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G26=Ranger-T 127+p+
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:28   #7
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I think too many guys worry about shooting the latest & greatest. If it's reliable & high quality, ( and available ) I would use it. The diff between HSt, Win T, SpeerGD, Rem, Gs, etc, are measured w/ calipers. Yes I would still use Hydrashoks, they do still work. Just stay away from the bulk packed JHP by Rem. Win & others. Not what I would deem high quality.

I agree. HST, SpeerGD, Win T, Rem GS what ever you can get and practice, practice and practice more.

I use the Federal HST 180g
.40 ( because I could get them) and Federal 180g .40 FMJ. they shoot the same to me. get the same weight and brand FMJ. Would have no problem using the others.
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Old 02-16-2010, 06:32   #8
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I currently only have 9mm but I would use Speer GDs for everything. GDs are readily available and decently priced, esp if you can find the 50-rd boxes. I think overall GD has the best combination of penetration and expansion, though the HST has really impressive expansion. GDs seem to have a lot of street time and cred at this point too.

Cor-bon DPX always looks impressive with the incredibly consistent expansion but the pedals themselves look thin. Put one next to an HST and you'll notice the difference. Plus DPX is bout the most pricey stuff out there AND I don't think there is a lot of street data on it compared to more common LE ammo.

As far as weights go, I think sticking to middle weight and fast velocity makes the most sense or the weight the round was designed for (180gr for .40, 230gr for .45 ACP, etc). The biggest debate always seems to be in 9mm, 147gr vs 124+P. Personally I think there is little difference but I still prefer more velocity for only giving up 23 gr.

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Old 02-16-2010, 09:59   #9
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.380 -- nearly any FMJ 95 or heavier
.357 Mag -- Speer Gold Dot .357 135 Short Barrel (have a .357 snub nose)
9mm -- Ranger T +P+ 127 (bought a case at a great price, would have preferred HST 147 +P but I couldn't find any)
.40 -- HST 180
.45 -- Ranger T +P 230 (would have preferred HST, but couldn't find any at a good price)

Why? In general I prefer a heavy bullet for the caliber. The .380 just lacks penetration and even though the FMJ falls short here, it's the best option. The .357 Speer SB load is a light load with a bullet geared to the relatively slow .357 mag velocity from a short barrel. As to the other calibers, my opinion is that Federal HSTs have a slight edge on Winchester Ranger Ts. I'm not concerned about shooting through barriers, so the bonded Federal and Winchester bullets don't seem to be something I need.

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Old 02-16-2010, 12:01   #10
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It's about time to shoot the older stuff and replace it. I've been using primarily Speer Gold in all calibers, but open to other thoughts.

I live in South Florida so heavy clothing isn't much of an issue.

Currently I have the Ruger LCP loaded with Cor Bon DPX .380

What do you or your agency use in the following:

9mm (leaning toward HST 124+p, DPX or Win Ranger -T)

.40

.45

.357sig

.357 mag (currently Golden Saber or Gold Dot)

.38 (currently using Speer SB)
My agency uses the .40S&W Winchester Ranger Talon 180 gr. JHP (RA40T) in the issued pistol, a Sig P226. It has done well over the last six years since its adoption, no failures yet.

When I carry the 9mm (G17) it is usually loaded with the Hornady 9mm 147 gr. TAP "CQ" XTP JHP or when I can find it, the Winchester Ranger Talon 147 gr. JHP (RA9T).

If you like the Speer GD and can obtain it, why not stick with it?
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:55   #11
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Nothing wrong with gold dots or HST or Ranger T loads I would see what you can find. IF you dont have it stock pilled it may be harder to find some.
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Old 02-16-2010, 15:28   #12
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in my Glock 22 4th gen its 180 Win. SXZ the new one from them,
in my Glock 22 3rd gen its the Win. PDX/1
in my Kimber Pro carry its Ranger 230 SXT
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in my Glock 22 4th gen its 180 Win. SXZ the new one from them,
in my Glock 22 3rd gen its the Win. PDX/1
in my Kimber Pro carry its Ranger 230 SXT

The SXZ is the base model bullet with the black lubox coating isnt it from bass pro shop???
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It's about time to shoot the older stuff and replace it. I've been using primarily Speer Gold in all calibers, but open to other thoughts.

I live in South Florida so heavy clothing isn't much of an issue.

Currently I have the Ruger LCP loaded with Cor Bon DPX .380

What do you or your agency use in the following:

9mm (leaning toward HST 124+p, DPX or Win Ranger -T)

.40

.45

.357sig

.357 mag (currently Golden Saber or Gold Dot)

.38 (currently using Speer SB)
My answer is easy.. heaviest Gold Dot in each caliber.

It really doesn't matter what you choose, what matters is that you can find it, that its reliable, and that you can put it where its supposed to go.

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Old 02-16-2010, 18:15   #15
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357SIG: Ranger T

40SW: Ranger 155 or Federal HST
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Old 02-16-2010, 18:23   #16
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Never wanted to carry anything besides Gold Dots, I find them extremely accurate bullets in .38 spl, .357 mag , 9mm and my favorite, .357 Sig
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Old 02-16-2010, 18:27   #17
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Rounds that I authorize in my pistol:
  • Winchester RA40TA
  • Winchester PDX1 165 grain & 180 Grain
  • Speer GDHP, 155,165,180, no SB loads
  • Remington UMC/Express 155 grain and 180 grain JHP
  • Remington Golden Saber 165 grain & 180 grain
They all work fine. Listed in order of preference. I've tested most of them the best I can.
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Old 02-16-2010, 19:27   #18
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Why do you feel it's necessary to rotate your ammo? If it has not been wet or otherwise abused it will be good for many, many years.
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Old 02-16-2010, 19:34   #19
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Heavy -for-the-caliber HST or Ranger Tseries.
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Old 02-16-2010, 19:39   #20
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Why do you feel it's necessary to rotate your ammo? If it has not been wet or otherwise abused it will be good for many, many years.
Well, yes & no. If you chamber & unchamber everyday, check that round against your others. Bullet setback is pretty common in all the service calibers, some more than others. If the round shows some setback, pull that round & drop it into the practice box. If it's more than 1/16" (0.06") in 9mm+P, 357sig or 40 I would toss it out. Upto 3/32" (0.09") in std. 9mm & 45acp. Pressure can skyrocket once bullet setback exceeds those numbers. How much depends on the exact loading, but something to watch.
Also, daily carry can expose your ammo to salts from sweat & heat from being stored in a car, plus any oils in the cahmber of the gun. Neither ideal conditions for ammo storage. Sure, in controled temps & humidity, ammo can last decades. It's wise to trade out your ammo once a year for ccw. For HD, I rotate mine out every 2-3yrs. In most cases you are only talking about a mag or two, cheap insurance IMO.
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Old 02-16-2010, 20:56   #21
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9mm:

115gr +P CorBon
115gr +P+ Federal 9BPLE
127gr +P+ Winchester Ranger T

Why?
Between 20-30 years of field proven results by Police - State and otherwise. I put more emphasis on this than shooting into blocks of goo and milk jugs with wet newspaper in them. Ranger T because it is proven, newer technology, and out of a 5" barrel it pretty much mimics the...


.357SIG:

125gr CorBon, Winchester Ranger T, Federal HST, and Speer Gold Dot

Why?
Because they all are probably just about the same. CorBon because it stays true to the original .357SIG loadings and intention - duplicating the ballistics of a 125gr .357 Magnum from a 4" revolver.
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Old 02-16-2010, 21:41   #22
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Heavy -for-the-caliber HST or Ranger Tseries.
Heavy-for-caliber: Same

1) Cheapest from those below, prefer bonded usually
2) Gold Dot
3) Ranger T
4) HST
5) Golden Saber
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G23 with Federal Hi Shok 155 gr and Colt Agent .38 special with Federal 158 gr SWCHP
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