.460 Rowland

whitewater · 01-26-2010, 11:22

I am just now learning about the 1911 conversion available in the .460 Rowland cartridge. Would appreciate any comments on anyone who has one of the Clarke drop-in conversion. Also has anyone tried one of the conversions offered by Wild West Gun for the Springfield and S&W MP?

This cartridge really smokes the 10mm.

Thanks,
whitewater

.45Super-Man · 01-26-2010, 13:51

I'd much rather buy a good .44mag wheelgun as opposed to spending as much if not more, to attempt .44mag ballistics from a 1911, not to mention ammo cost and availibility vs. the .44mag!! When "conversions" are this expensive I tend to lose interest quickly. Then again, what game would you take with a .460 that couldnt be acheived with the 10mm or .45Super, with the right load??

mclaren · 01-26-2010, 14:20

Yeah, a 4" 44 Mag and a speed loader beat this conversion on price and ammo availability.
From what I read these guns depend on a compensator heavily. That and mega heavy recoil springs make this unattractive to me.

BleedNOrange · 01-27-2010, 09:22

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Originally Posted by .45Super-Man

I'd much rather buy a good .44mag wheelgun as opposed to spending as much if not more, to attempt .44mag ballistics from a 1911, not to mention ammo cost and availibility vs. the .44mag!! When "conversions" are this expensive I tend to lose interest quickly. Then again, what game would you take with a .460 that couldnt be acheived with the 10mm or .45Super, with the right load??

Exactly what did this post have to do with the OP's question? He asked for anyone with knowledge of the .460 conversion, not for your lack of interest in it.

whitewater · 01-27-2010, 10:40

Thanks BleedNOrange for your comment!

The Drop- In Conversion only cost $250 and that is from Clarke Guns, which as far as I know has a very good reputation. If I am not mistaken, Jerry Miculek is one of the owners and is or was married to a Clarke daughter.

The ballistics of a .460 Rowland match and even exceed those of a .44 Magnum. I was just interested in comments from someone who had first hand knowledge of this round and in particular with this pretty inexpensive Drop-In Conversion available from Clarke.

Thanks,
whitewater

***TKM*** · 01-27-2010, 10:44

I have the 460 conversion in my Kimber Warrior and Clark recently cut the cylinder of my 625 to match.

My dentist bought a Kimber straight from Clark already set up for the hoghammer. He bowhunts and the 357Sig wasn't up to his expectations finishing of big pigs.

I reload so the ammo isn't too pricey.

The recoil and muzzle blast are right up there with the 44, so is the accuracy. Win, win situation.

I did have to have the comp pinned and welded due to silly California assault weapons laws. Phooey.

whitewater · 01-27-2010, 13:31

TKM,

Thanks! This was the kind of input I was looking for. Think I am sold on this drop-in. Now I just have to go find a 1911.

whitewater

***TKM*** · 01-27-2010, 13:54

Glad I could help.

Check Clarks website for a list of recommended models.

Some pistols will not stand up to the increased everything.

A .44Mag level upgrade for the price of a .22 is a pretty good deal.

.45Super-Man · 01-27-2010, 16:03

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Originally Posted by BleedNOrange

Exactly what did this post have to do with the OP's question? He asked for anyone with knowledge of the .460 conversion, not for your lack of interest in it.

What does my opinion have to do with your desire to play "hall monitor"...

BleedNOrange · 01-28-2010, 07:27

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Originally Posted by .45Super-Man

What does my opinion have to do with your desire to play "hall monitor"...

Nothing really, just that your opinion had nothing to do with the OP's question. Hey aren't you the guy that scoffs at "turbo charging" 9mm's but yet advocates 45 super....hmmm kinda funny

.45Super-Man · 01-28-2010, 15:40

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Originally Posted by BleedNOrange

Nothing really, just that your opinion had nothing to do with the OP's question. Hey aren't you the guy that scoffs at "turbo charging" 9mm's but yet advocates 45 super....hmmm kinda funny

The .45acp is loaded to very low pressures and a dramatic improvement can be made to it's ballistics by beefing things up to more "modern" performance levels. The .45Super only develops about 25,000 psi which is still FAR below the 9mm,.40,etc. Attempting to "turbo charge" the 9mm, which is already at about 35-36,000 psi IS a different matter altogether. There...make sense now??

uz2bUSMC · 01-28-2010, 15:50

The .45-08 might be an alternative for the OP. All you need is to cut .308 brass and an aftermarket BBL. It's a step up from .45 sup, not quite the Rowland, nor the hassle or expense.

TED · 01-28-2010, 19:55

I don't have any personal direct experience with the .460 Rowland. But, I thought that the OP might like to know that Mech Tec makes a cool unit that converts a pistol into a totally legit rifle. And, they offer it in .460 Rowland.

TED

bfoosh006 · 01-28-2010, 22:10

I would suggest a fully supported chamber on your handguns barrel, Para-Ordnances will accept Clarks after-market kit for it. My friend got one of them for his Para, he enjoys shooting it...but , he can't help but wonder how much he is beating up the frame every mag full. He has changed the recoil spring to as stiff as practical, ( wear those safety glasses during assm./dis-assm., if that spring gets loose it FLYS ! )Certainly a hot friggin' round.

FYI here is some reload data...http://www.realguns.com/loads/460Rowland.htm

dtsdave · 02-03-2010, 22:02

I have the kit from CCG on my Dan Wesson Pointman 7. It is fun to shoot and I reload so the ammo has not been to bad. I only have really run about 100 rounds through so far. The only pain is chasing down the brass. It is super accurate and the recoil is definitely different. A snap backwards instead of up.

I wanted a hot shooting gun in a 1911 and I think I got what I asked for without buying a 10mm and the dies for reloading. I already had the 45acp dies. The first picture is 9 rounds 35'.