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Old 02-24-2010, 06:58   #61
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You can convince cops on the street all you want. But legislators tend to believe CALEA and the Illinois Association of Chiefs of Police. And we all know those organizations tend to view CCW.

Fortunately, the Illinois Sheriff's Association came out strong for CCW last year. Hopefully they'll repeat that this year and beyond.
Hopefully, post incorporation they will come around. They took an oath to the Constitution and the people, not cronies and political hacks. Another big win would be with Brady in the Governors mansion (looks like Dillard is ready to concede). If Monken was not replaced outright, I think he certainly would now be in favor of right to carry legislation.
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And very few police unions in the Chicago suburbs will endorse concealed carry.
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Old 02-24-2010, 08:08   #63
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And very few police unions in the Chicago suburbs will endorse concealed carry.
We'll see where the chips fall post McDonald. Who knows, by then the climate in IL may resemble WI with everybody looking to all of a sudden make a deal. There is a pro Second Amendment movement sweeping the Nation right now, which has for some reason been entirely ignored by IL (Chicago) media. The closer we get to a McDonald ruling, the harder it will be keep it out of the spotlight.
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The police unions pull a lot of political weight too. Perhaps not as publicly in the newspapers and TV as IACP, but as far as votes, they count heavily too.

I find that IACP news-ops are usually with (liberal) politicians who would vote against CCW anyway, looking desperately to find someone in a uniform to agree with them, so they can look pro-police and anti-crime...

In my county, there is no Chief or other LE executive who is anti-CCW.
They can still be pro-police and anti-crime, they just need to realize there does not need to be an us vs. them mentality. If they really feel everybody is better off unarmed, then they can take away off duty carry and fight to repeal LEOSA.

I really don't see an immediate jump to "constitutional" carry in IL, although if the legislature keeps pushing back you never know. I think all involved would be a lot more comfortable setting up a "shall" issue licensing process, with fingerprints, background checks and minimum training requirement. Linking ones permit to the drivers license also would not be a bad idea.

I really don't think a lot of people would have a problem making some of these "concessions," to see carry legislation in IL. This is why all parties need to come together, from the beginning, to make sure everyone has their say in the matter.
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Madigan will NEVER ---- I repeat NEVER ---- call a CCW bill for a vote.
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Madigan will NEVER ---- I repeat NEVER ---- call a CCW bill for a vote.
Like I said, they (Madigan and his ilk) think they hold the upper hand, and at this point they do. I do not think that post McDonald it is going to mean that much anymore (my opinion). If this attitude keeps up, it will be a very small corner that they will have painted themselves into (again, my opinion).

The olive branch is a regulated "shall" issue permitting system. Require fingerprinting, minimum training and run a background check. Otherwise, call the bluff, wait for the court challenges to come and end up with "Constitutional" carry (no permit required).

Madigan controls the IL House, he is not God.
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Fingerprinting, background checks, and training are a good idea anyway.

And it'll take MANY more court challenges past a McDonald victory to paint the libs into a corner. McDonald will settle a very isolated issue that is completely unrelated to CCW. But every victory counts.
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Fingerprinting, background checks, and training are a good idea anyway.

And it'll take MANY more court challenges past a McDonald victory to paint the libs into a corner. McDonald will settle a very isolated issue that is completely unrelated to CCW. But every victory counts.
Not this again...

My bet is the challenge is filed the day after the ruling in McDonald. The challenge I am referring to is IL's ban on the bearing of arms (open/concealed carry). If I'm wrong you win. If I'm right, you win.
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I'm all for win-win propositions.

But cases are generally two years behind each other, as was the case with Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010). We need to speed this up. I'm already 36 and I want to CCW in IL before I die LOL
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I'm all for win-win propositions.

But cases are generally two years behind each other, as was the case with Heller (2008) and McDonald (2010). We need to speed this up. I'm already 36 and I want to CCW in IL before I die LOL
I'm a step behind you at 32 and agree 110%.
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I am 23 and I will be surprised if there will ever be CC in IL, unless we can give Chicago to WI or something?
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I am 23 and I will be surprised if there will ever be CC in IL, unless we can give Chicago to WI or something?
WI doesn't want Chicago. I think the plan is either to wait for Chicago to sink into the lake, or find a way to float it up to Canada.
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FLOAT IT UP TO CANADA! Hell that is a genius idea never even though about that one yet...
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WI doesn't want Chicago. I think the plan is either to wait for Chicago to sink into the lake, or find a way to float it up to Canada.
I'm all for any of these ideas, as well as putting up a wall around it with jagged glass and electrified barbed wired along the top and a minefield. (Sorry Volsbear, but you're living in a bad "neighborhood" being from anywhere in NE Illinois...)
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OK, Rick, here ya go:

I'm guilty of being too short-winded in my above answer. Normally, people complain that I'm too long winded (including you!), so I tried to shorten it up, and in so doing, I created an error. I didn't respond earlier, because I don't like taking the time to answer something when someone else has, and 05FLT did so, immediately under your last post.

You are running the risk of getting your information from a summary by someone else, as well. Here, let's cut and paste the entire UUW statute for everyone to read, look at and interpret themselves (I've bolded the pertinent section about them being broken down or inaccessible or in a non-functioning state):

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(720 ILCS 5/Art. 24 heading)
ARTICLE 24. DEADLY WEAPONS

(720 ILCS 5/24‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 24‑1)
(Text of Section from P.A. 96‑41)
Sec. 24‑1. Unlawful Use of Weapons.
(a) A person commits the offense of unlawful use of weapons when he knowingly:
(1) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or

carries any bludgeon, black‑jack, slung‑shot, sand‑club, sand‑bag, metal knuckles or other knuckle weapon regardless of its composition, throwing star, or any knife, commonly referred to as a switchblade knife, which has a blade that opens automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring or other device in the handle of the knife, or a ballistic knife, which is a device that propels a knifelike blade as a projectile by means of a coil spring, elastic material or compressed gas; or
(2) Carries or possesses with intent to use the same

unlawfully against another, a dagger, dirk, billy, dangerous knife, razor, stiletto, broken bottle or other piece of glass, stun gun or taser or any other dangerous or deadly weapon or instrument of like character; or
(3) Carries on or about his person or in any

vehicle, a tear gas gun projector or bomb or any object containing noxious liquid gas or substance, other than an object containing a non‑lethal noxious liquid gas or substance designed solely for personal defense carried by a person 18 years of age or older; or
(4) Carries or possesses in any vehicle or concealed

on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state;

or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,

firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or
(5) Sets a spring gun; or
(6) Possesses any device or attachment of any kind

designed, used or intended for use in silencing the report of any firearm; or
(7) Sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses or

carries:
(i) a machine gun, which shall be defined for

the purposes of this subsection as any weapon, which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manually reloading by a single function of the trigger, including the frame or receiver of any such weapon, or sells, manufactures, purchases, possesses, or carries any combination of parts designed or intended for use in converting any weapon into a machine gun, or any combination or parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;
(ii) any rifle having one or more barrels less

than 16 inches in length or a shotgun having one or more barrels less than 18 inches in length or any weapon made from a rifle or shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise, if such a weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches; or
(iii) any bomb, bomb‑shell, grenade, bottle or

other container containing an explosive substance of over one‑quarter ounce for like purposes, such as, but not limited to, black powder bombs and Molotov cocktails or artillery projectiles; or
(8) Carries or possesses any firearm, stun gun or

taser or other deadly weapon in any place which is licensed to sell intoxicating beverages, or at any public gathering held pursuant to a license issued by any governmental body or any public gathering at which an admission is charged, excluding a place where a showing, demonstration or lecture involving the exhibition of unloaded firearms is conducted.
This subsection (a)(8) does not apply to any auction

or raffle of a firearm held pursuant to a license or permit issued by a governmental body, nor does it apply to persons engaged in firearm safety training courses; or
(9) Carries or possesses in a vehicle or on or about

his person any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or firearm or ballistic knife, when he is hooded, robed or masked in such manner as to conceal his identity; or
(10) Carries or possesses on or about his person,

upon any public street, alley, or other public lands within the corporate limits of a city, village or incorporated town, except when an invitee thereon or therein, for the purpose of the display of such weapon or the lawful commerce in weapons, or except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business, any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (10) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state;

or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,


firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card.
A "stun gun or taser", as used in this paragraph (a)

means (i) any device which is powered by electrical charging units, such as, batteries, and which fires one or several barbs attached to a length of wire and which, upon hitting a human, can send out a current capable of disrupting the person's nervous system in such a manner as to render him incapable of normal functioning or (ii) any device which is powered by electrical charging units, such as batteries, and which, upon contact with a human or clothing worn by a human, can send out current capable of disrupting the person's nervous system in such a manner as to render him incapable of normal functioning; or
(11) Sells, manufactures or purchases any explosive

bullet. For purposes of this paragraph (a) "explosive bullet" means the projectile portion of an ammunition cartridge which contains or carries an explosive charge which will explode upon contact with the flesh of a human or an animal. "Cartridge" means a tubular metal case having a projectile affixed at the front thereof and a cap or primer at the rear end thereof, with the propellant contained in such tube between the projectile and the cap; or
(12) (Blank); or
(13) Carries or possesses on or about his or her

person while in a building occupied by a unit of government, a billy club, other weapon of like character, or other instrument of like character intended for use as a weapon. For the purposes of this Section, "billy club" means a short stick or club commonly carried by police officers which is either telescopic or constructed of a solid piece of wood or other man‑made material.
(b) Sentence. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24‑1(a)(1) through (5), subsection 24‑1(a)(10), subsection 24‑1(a)(11), or subsection 24‑1(a)(13) commits a Class A misdemeanor. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24‑1(a)(8) or 24‑1(a)(9) commits a Class 4 felony; a person convicted of a violation of subsection 24‑1(a)(6) or 24‑1(a)(7)(ii) or (iii) commits a Class 3 felony. A person convicted of a violation of subsection 24‑1(a)(7)(i) commits a Class 2 felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 3 years and not more than 7 years, unless the weapon is possessed in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle as defined in Section 1‑146 of the Illinois Vehicle Code, or on the person, while the weapon is loaded, in which case it shall be a Class X felony. A person convicted of a second or subsequent violation of subsection 24‑1(a)(4), 24‑1(a)(8), 24‑1(a)(9), or 24‑1(a)(10) commits a Class 3 felony. The possession of each weapon in violation of this Section constitutes a single and separate violation.
(c) Violations in specific places.
(1) A person who violates subsection 24‑1(a)(6) or

24‑1(a)(7) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development commits a Class 2 felony and shall be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of not less than 3 years and not more than 7 years.
(1.5) A person who violates subsection 24‑1(a)(4),

24‑1(a)(9), or 24‑1(a)(10) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development commits a Class 3 felony.
(2) A person who violates subsection 24‑1(a)(1),

24‑1(a)(2), or 24‑1(a)(3) in any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, in residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, in a public park, in a courthouse, on the real property comprising any school, regardless of the time of day or the time of year, on residential property owned, operated or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development, on the real property comprising any public park, on the real property comprising any courthouse, in any conveyance owned, leased or contracted by a school to transport students to or from school or a school related activity, in any conveyance owned, leased, or contracted by a public transportation agency, or on any public way within 1,000 feet of the real property comprising any school, public park, courthouse, public transportation facility, or residential property owned, operated, or managed by a public housing agency or leased by a public housing agency as part of a scattered site or mixed‑income development commits a Class 4 felony. "Courthouse" means any building that is used by the Circuit, Appellate, or Supreme Court of this State for the conduct of official business.
(3) Paragraphs (1), (1.5), and (2) of this

subsection (c) shall not apply to law enforcement officers or security officers of such school, college, or university or to students carrying or possessing firearms for use in training courses, parades, hunting, target shooting on school ranges, or otherwise with the consent of school authorities and which firearms are transported unloaded enclosed in a suitable case, box, or transportation package.
(4) For the purposes of this subsection (c),

"school" means any public or private elementary or secondary school, community college, college, or university.
(5) For the purposes of this subsection (c),

"public transportation agency" means a public or private agency that provides for the transportation or conveyance of persons by means available to the general public, except for transportation by automobiles not used for conveyance of the general public as passengers; and "public transportation facility" means a terminal or other place where one may obtain public transportation.
(d) The presence in an automobile other than a public omnibus of any weapon, instrument or substance referred to in subsection (a)(7) is prima facie evidence that it is in the possession of, and is being carried by, all persons occupying such automobile at the time such weapon, instrument or substance is found, except under the following circumstances: (i) if such weapon, instrument or instrumentality is found upon the person of one of the occupants therein; or (ii) if such weapon, instrument or substance is found in an automobile operated for hire by a duly licensed driver in the due, lawful and proper pursuit of his trade, then such presumption shall not apply to the driver.
(e) Exemptions. Crossbows, Common or Compound bows and Underwater Spearguns are exempted from the definition of ballistic knife as defined in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Section.
(Source: P.A. 95‑331, eff. 8‑21‑07; 95‑809, eff. 1‑1‑09; 95‑885, eff. 1‑1‑09; 96‑41, eff. 1‑1‑10; 96‑328, eff. 8‑11‑09.)
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I'm a good 40 miles southwest of the city in a republican-controlled county. I'm good.
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on or about his person except when on his land or in his own abode or fixed place of business any pistol, revolver, stun gun or taser or other firearm, except that this subsection (a) (4) does not apply to or affect transportation of weapons that meet one of the following conditions:
(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state;

or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,

firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or

This is what is clear to me

(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state;

or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,


So in a case on your seat next to you will be OK
if it is unloaded in your truck or what ever


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firearm carrying box, shipping box, or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card; or

This is what is clear to me

(i) are broken down in a non‑functioning state;

or
(ii) are not immediately accessible; or
(iii) are unloaded and enclosed in a case,


So in a case on your seat next to you will be OK
if it is unloaded in your truck or what ever


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Just make sure whatever your "case" or "transporting container" is, it is designed to house a firearm. That is the only way you will comply with the Wildlife Code.

If your "transporting" to be "six seconds from safety," I'd personally only use a commercially made container designed to house a firearm (Original Tommy Gun Pack, Maxpedition Versipack or similar. That is of course, is only my opinion. This is a choice you would need to research and preferably consult a competent attorney on.
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Just make sure whatever your "case" or "transporting container" is, it is designed to house a firearm. That is the only way you will comply with the Wildlife Code.

If your "transporting" to be "six seconds from safety," I'd personally only use a commercially made container designed to house a firearm (Original Tommy Gun Pack, Maxpedition Versipack or similar. That is of course, is only my opinion. This is a choice you would need to research and preferably consult a competent attorney on.

This was in one of my earlier post

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I have read all these threads


3. I do not want to transport with out a case anyway. My console moves up and down. So I dont want it moving around with out a case

So I will use [URL="http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=51"]http://store.thewilderness.com/index.php?cPath=51[/URL]

I put the mag in the top of the Safepacker not as shown in there pictures
It is a separate compartment

This will cover the conservation law

It can also be used as a fannypack carry or on a shoulder strap
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I've got a Wilderness 5 Stitch Instructor belt that I love. To transport, I prefer a Maxpedition Versi Pack. Honestly, with all the storage I don't know how I used to walk around 15lbs lighter. It holds my phone, first aid kit, flashlight, hand sanitizer, multi-tool and some diapers and wipes for my littlest one.
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