[Maximus13]

Is the GAP gaining popularity? I’ve been reading more about it and it seems to be gaining some ground. I know all the 45 ACP cult members would disagree with this but I see it more regularly on line as well as in gun stores. What are your thoughts on this?

[Officer's Match]

Originally Posted by Maximus13

Is the GAP gaining popularity? I’ve been reading more about it and it seems to be gaining some ground. I know all the 45 ACP cult members would disagree with this but I see it more regularly on line as well as in gun stores. What are your thoughts on this?

I know for sure it is gaining in popularity of people I shoot with (after they try mine). Frankly, outside of trying to benefit those I'm close to, I really don't have a burning need for the GAP to be "embraced" by the mainstream. If it does - GREAT. But I don't loose any sleep over it.

[Maximus13]

True I just want it to have enough populairity to keep it around so I can still get it. I know of 4 State Police Deps that have it including mine so that should help it. I guess price is not really a problem for me since they buy ours for us. Nice dog, Yours?

[DannyR]

Five out of 49 State Police Agencies have adopted the G37: NY, PA, SC, GA & FL.

How many of the remaining 44 use:

.45ACP? How many Use Glock G21's?
.357Sig? How many use Glock G31's?
.40S&W? How many use Glock G22's?
9mm? How many use Glock G17's?
10mm? How many use Glock G20's.

[Brigrat]

Originally Posted by DannyR

Five out of 49 State Police Agencies have adopted the G37: NY, PA, SC, GA & FL.

How many of the remaining 44 use:

.45ACP? How many Use Glock G21's?
.357Sig? How many use Glock G31's?
.40S&W? How many use Glock G22's?
9mm? How many use Glock G17's?
10mm? How many use Glock G20's.

what state doesn't have a state police agency???

[Officer's Match]

Originally Posted by Maximus13

True I just want it to have enough populairity to keep it around so I can still get it. I know of 4 State Police Deps that have it including mine so that should help it. I guess price is not really a problem for me since they buy ours for us. Nice dog, Yours?

Yes. Yours too.

[JTG30]

I knew they would come around.

[RBL525]

Originally Posted by Brigrat

what state doesn't have a state police agency???

From wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_police Looks like Vermont, they run on a county system.

In the United States, state police are a police body unique to each U.S. state, having statewide authority to conduct law enforcement activities and criminal investigations. In general, they perform functions outside the jurisdiction of the county sheriff (Vermont being a notable exception), such as enforcing traffic laws on state highways and interstate expressways, overseeing the security of the state capitol complex, protecting the governor, training new officers for local police forces too small to operate an academy, providing technological and scientific support services, and helping to coordinate multi-jurisdictional task force activity in serious or complicated cases in those states that grant full police powers statewide. A general trend has been to bring all of these agencies under a state Department of Public Safety. Additionally, they may serve under different state departments such as the Highway Patrol under the state Department of Transportation and the Marine patrol under the Department of Natural Resources. Twenty-three U.S. states use the term "State Police."

[DannyR]

Hawaii is the State with no State Agency.

Among the 49 States there is a variety of names that the State Agency goes under, such as California Highway Patrol and Texas Rangers.

[MSgt Dotson]

The reason the ammo is more available is becuase so few are buying it....

Pity, as the pistol does dispense ACP-like ballistics from a 17/19/26 sized handgun...

[pmj]

I'm curious to see how sales of GAP pistols and ammo will increase as the result of more agencies adopting it. Both will probably pick up some since the Florida and South Carolina HP's are transitioning to it, but time will tell. Currently there are 4 or 5 agencies already using it here in NC.

What are general prices for a 50-round box of GAP ammo in your areas? I picked up two, 50-rnd boxes of 185 gr. Gold Dot from a police distributor in Raleigh on Monday and paid $26 and some change + tax for each.

Regards,
Phil

[DannyR]

Phil,

That is an excellent price. I reload all my practice ammo and buy all my defensive ammo on-line.

[pmj]

Danny,

I purchased it at Lawmen's Safety Supply here in Raleigh - the new G38 needed some fuel! Have paid almost that much for a box of 20 rnds over the interent just to get some ammo in when I picked up the G37 last month. Lawmen's also has a store in South Carolina for our fellow GAPpers there.

Ordered brass (Starline - before they were out of it) and bullets (Berry's) from Graf and Sons last month so I could start reloading. Those are here now and powder should arrive today. I finally found Univ. Clays and Titegroup in the smaller quantities. Yesterday I ordered 1,000 pieces of brass from Starline. That will be awhile coming since they are waiting on enough requests to run another lot.

Now I need to get with the program and order more bullets. I'll probably order them through Montana Gold per our previous discussion.

If you need anything from down this way don't hesitate to let me know.

Phil

[AggiePhil]

Short answer: NO

[Thx-1138]

In the past five weeks, we've gotten ten eleven new members to the Bull Dawgs users group.

That's a much higher rate than we've seen in the past.

There are some good deals on GAP Glocks to be had out there; people are taking a chance on them, and after they shoot it, they tend to like it.

GAP threads are receiving less animosity in General Glocking and Carry Issues.

We've picked up another State Agency, as well as a few local police departments.

The G37 is the first Glock to be made in Gen4, although it's not yet commercially available.

It may be a tad premature, but I think we're getting to a tipping point where the GAP is going to move to more general acceptance.

[pmj]

The fact that several LE agencies are now, or will be, using the GAP will have some influence on the non-LE side. Could possibly affect the LE side as well - depending on how it performs for those agencies that have it, or will be getting it. Also - budgets and Glock's willingness/ability to broker deals to entice other agencies to switch.

Who knows, there may be quite a few agencies out there that would transition to the GAP but are prohibited by costs of the logistics. Things such as their existing ammo supplies, changes required in equipment (holsters, mag carriers, etc) and time required for transitional training - armorer schools and classroom/range time for personnel.

I think another question to the equation is, to what extent will an increase in its' sales and use have to be in order to generate enough demand for ammo companies to affect their production schedules and quantities? One agency here supposedly has had problems with getting ammo from what I've heard - but there may be "more to the story."

The .357 Sig took a while but it's pretty solid. Although the GAP certainly isn't as prevalent, I feel it's pretty solid and its' popularity and acceptance will increase as well. Not by leaps and bounds, but it does appear to be showing an increase.

Then again, younger folks and old geezers like me that want to try something different will factor in. I'll opt out and blame my decision to finally get the GAP because of the positive comments I've read about it here at GT!

So - I don't think you're too premature with your prediction, but again, time will tell.

[nako69]

Hello Newb here not much expiernce but what I've read....
I think it's going to catch on with in a big way ..everyone likes the glock 9 series ...
to have a 45 in that grip is the best combo... the G39 I have on order.. I think will be
the best self defense gun one can own 6+1 with 10 round backup mags... 27 rounds of 45gap for carrying that's not bad...do that with a g36 in 45acp..dont think so..and i have the 30 sf in acp it's THICK to carry and heavy.

[Jr.]

I noticed every gun store I visit while on the road gives the cartridge a bad wrap. Then again those are the same people telling me that the .40S&W is too snappy. 9mm is for range use only and .45acp is for HD and SD.

[9mmdude]

Some of my GAP Ammo suppliers have had all of their GAP ammo purchased. You don't hear of too many GAP owners who give it up. It is here to stay and once FHP goes to it you will see another round of new GAP owners.

[SGT45]

Yes, slowly but surely. Most complaints I hear now are "I can't find ammo",
".45GAP is expensive" and blah, blah, blah. I happen to like the .45GAP. My PD did not go to them because they wanted .40's or .45ACP's. We chose the G21SF for patrol and the Admin and detectives were issued the G30SF (and no, we don't have any of those G30SF problems all over this site). I carry a
G39 off duty and a G38 once in a while on admin or special detail. As stated, I think when FHP and a few others go to the "GAP" it will just raise the bar. There are quite a few State and Local PD's that now issue the .45GAP pistols. I think they will be around awhile.

[JCROWNII]

I too have seen a difference in the popularity of the GAP. I see less GAP bashing in General Glocking forums and such. Also I can seem to find it everywhere now and I see alot of people talking about it and I just see a more prevalent presence of the GAP here on GT and even at the range.

[EL COLONEL]

NO.......................................

[Cappi]

I donno how much ground it's gaining..I hope enough that it doesn't disappear into obscurity ...
cause I just bought a 37 to go with my 38

I was a 45 auto "cult" guy...still am I reckon
cause I don't see me re-barreling any of my 1911s to gap
But I sure have a fondness and respect for gap too...it's a darn fine round

ammo isn't as easy to find locally and prices run in the .55 to .60 pr round range for target fodder.
But like others here, I roll my own for the range and factory self defense ammo is pretty much the same price as any other big bore cal


..L.T.A.

[Dingus]

More State Police Agencies use a G37 than use a G31. Worry about if the G31 is going to survive.

[legacy38]

GSP Troopers will pointedly correct you if you refer to them as "state police".

They do issue the G37 and G39.