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Old 02-13-2010, 22:25   #41
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I double checked...I have one source that states Kalashnikov was informed in 1947 that his design had been slated for acceptance by the Russian Army.
Competition trials ended only on January 10, 1948.

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An order by the Ministry of Armament dated January 21st, 1948, directs both Izhmash and Izhmekh to assist in supplying parts and assemblies for the new rifle. They issues another order in May of 1948 saying that the main production for the new rifle would be done exclusively by Izhmash starting in January of 1949.
Everybody knew from the get go the gun will be made at Izhmash, it was the only factory with enough capacity. BTW Izhmeh (at the time “factory 622”) was spun out of Izhmash (at the time “factory 74”) during the war. Basically, same people at the time.

I do find this May’48 order curious. At the time no one knew whether AK-47 can be made into a serviceable rifle. It failed the trials and there was no clear proposal as to how to remedy its shortcomings. Report by Izhmash with some 500 changes as a scope of an improvement work performed came only in December of 1948. And the resulting product still had to go through army trials.


AK was adopted on June 18, 1949 by the directive 2611-1033cc of the Council of Ministers.
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Old 02-13-2010, 22:44   #42
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great job, thank you
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:08   #43
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In 1948 the tests required the bullet penetrate a steel helmet at 1,000 meters. The original flat base lead core bullet wouldn't do it. The bullet was changed for a steel core boat tail. The shape of the bullet required seating in the cartridge case to a certain depth. The firearms, RPD (1944), SKS (1945) and AK-47 (1947) had already been designed for a cartridge length of 56.0 mm. The original case was 41 mm long. To fit the steel core bullet the case was shorten to 38.70 mm (rounded to 39 mm). The length of steel core bullet reduced powder capacity. A chamber pressure limit had already been set to enable large scale production of cartridge cases that would handle the pressure. The powders at the time couldn't be used to reach the desired velocity at the desired chamber pressure. In 1949 a copy of Winchester ball powder was developed for 7.62x39 that would work. Full scale production of 7.62x39 cartridges and weapons began in 1949.
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Old 02-14-2010, 13:32   #44
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In 1948 the tests required the bullet penetrate a steel helmet at 1,000 meters. The original flat base lead core bullet wouldn't do it. The bullet was changed for a steel core boat tail.
That almost sounds like the big topic a while back in that long thread.

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The sighting in instructions on Ak-47.net state that once the rifle is sighted in, all shots will stay withing a 16" circle at 1,000 meters.

16" circle at 1,000 meters with AK??
I find this a little hard to believe....

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Old 02-14-2010, 22:13   #45
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Great job

As an owner of a VZ-2008 Century Arms......Love it, it would be great if it were known the reason the Czech's did not just copy the AK.

The VZ is very slim and light....one reason why I love this thing.
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Old 02-15-2010, 00:12   #46
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GREAT informative thread........should be a STICKY.
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Old 02-15-2010, 21:42   #47
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I have incorporated information from LEAD and Novocaine into the respective original posts. Thanks guys.
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Old 02-15-2010, 21:47   #48
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GREAT informative thread........should be a STICKY.
It is. DJ Niner added it to http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=497434
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Old 02-02-2011, 00:39   #49
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Old 02-02-2011, 20:15   #50
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Looking to get an AK soon. Great information. Thanks to all.
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Old 02-02-2011, 21:37   #51
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This post is sticky worthy, thanks for taking the time to put this together.
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Old 02-03-2011, 10:00   #52
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Looking to get an AK soon. Great information. Thanks to all.
Now that I have been educated, I'm thinking he meant AKM.

Great post. Thanks for taking the time to put that up.
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Old 04-17-2011, 22:31   #53
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Carlos thanks so much for this info. I have tagged it for future reference.
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Old 04-18-2011, 10:01   #54
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Very nice post sir.
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Old 04-18-2011, 18:39   #55
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Thanks for your time Carlos. Lot of good info, and time in researching must have taken a while.

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Old 04-19-2011, 18:39   #56
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Great posts by everyone. Thanks.
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Old 04-19-2011, 18:53   #57
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Carlos! I Love you Man! Thank you for the post!!!!!!
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Old 04-28-2011, 16:30   #58
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Lots of information. Thanks.
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Old 01-07-2012, 23:03   #59
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A bump to keep it current.
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Carlos....I am totally Impressed!
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