2nd time at the range, 2nd Malfunction... Did I get a lemon?

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 10:58

So I am posting again after my 2nd time at the range, with a 2nd malfunction. My first thread I had 2 jams within the first 200 rounds through the gun. I was using Winchester white box 115 gr 9mm. I have a Glock 19.
For the GTers that read my first post I remembered my Hearing Protection this time

SO today I used Gold Dot 124 Grain +P. Again a bargain ammo, but i don't have a lot of $ to spend on ammo so I figured this is what I would keep in the gun at home. Shot 120 rounds fine. On my next clip (the 5th round) I had an empty round that didn't eject. No biggie, just pulled the slide back it ejected out. I inserted the clip and started shooting again. On my 13th round of the same clip I had a major malfunction. or maybe its not a big deal, but I see it as a major malfunction.
The slide is in the locked back position, but (sorry for the terminology, i'm still new the handgun world), the slide lever (the lever to push so the slide shut) was not activated, but my slide was in the locked back position. *see attached photos, taken by my cell so sorry for the quality.
I released the magazine and tried to rack the slide to get it back in normal position, but it was froze open. When I really looked inside the breech, the Ejector Pin was still sticking way out. I know its the ejector pin cause thats what the gun smith told me. He said he's never seen it happen before.
I guess what i'm wondering is do you guys think out of the thousands upon thousands of glocks that are made, they can't all be perfect? Did I get a lemon? Also, after the gunsmith fixes it or does whatever he needs to do, should i be worried about another malfunction? This is my Carry gun, so I have to depend my life on it and I have some doubts now.
Just wanted to hear what ya'll think. Thanks for your guy's help so far.

BigBadAllis · 02-18-2010, 11:10

Hello

Did you buy the gun new? Have you contacted your dealer?

I have also had some challenges with my new G22 Gen 4. Both my dealer and Glock have been easy to work with. I was really surprised to get a live person on the phone when I called Glock.

Best regards,
Jason

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 11:16

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Originally Posted by BigBadAllis

Hello

Did you buy the gun new? Have you contacted your dealer?

I have also had some challenges with my new G22 Gen 4. Both my dealer and Glock have been easy to work with. I was really surprised to get a live person on the phone when I called Glock.

Best regards,
Jason

Yes, the G19 was new in box. I went back to my dealer who also has gunsmithing on site. So if they are going to fix it and I'll put another 500 rounds through it and if nothing happens I'll pretty much have my faith back, but if something happens then I will probably contact Glock. I wanted to give my hometown shop the chance to correct the issue first, and see how they plan to deal with the situation.

Stuntman_Mike · 02-18-2010, 11:24

Where does the "gunsmith" think the ejector is supposed to be?

I'm willing to bet the slide catch is hung-up or busted at the worst. If you already gave the gun to someone to fix, I won't bother trying to explain what to look for.

GLOCK MONSTER · 02-18-2010, 11:25

it`s not a clip it`s a "magazine" . A clip is for a long gun not for pistols !

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 11:28

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Originally Posted by GLOCK MONSTER

it`s not a clip it`s a "magazine" . A clip is for a long gun not for pistols !

My bad... military jargon just seems to stick with ya, even when you're out. thanks for the insightful post.

GLOCK MONSTER · 02-18-2010, 11:31

no problem . Keep us updated on ur issue . Hope it gets fixed .

ipscshooter · 02-18-2010, 11:44

I would not worry too much about the jams or failure to extract. Could be you, the ammo, maybe the gun. In most cases I would say you. You need to get this stuck slide sorted out first.

Your extractor looks fine and I can't see anything wrong with anything else. The trigger looks right. Can you move the slide release/stop lever with the slide back like that or is it jammed solid? Did you try wacking the back of the slide to shove it forward. Did you take the gun apart before you shot it?

Seems odd you could get so many rounds through it with relatively few issues and then the slide is stuck to the rear. There is not much that would normally cause that. I have never seen it in years of shooting Glocks. I suppose something could have broken, but I sure can't think what it would be.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'm really curious about this one.

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 12:47

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Originally Posted by ipscshooter

I would not worry too much about the jams or failure to extract. Could be you, the ammo, maybe the gun. In most cases I would say you. You need to get this stuck slide sorted out first.

Your extractor looks fine and I can't see anything wrong with anything else. The trigger looks right. Can you move the slide release?stop lever with the slide back like that or is it jammed solid? Did you try wacking the back of the slide to shove it forward. Did you take the gun apart before you shot it?

Seems odd you could get so many rounds through it with relatively few issues and then the slide is stuck to the rear. There is much that would normally cause that. I have never seen it in years of shooting Glocks. I suppose something could have broken, but I sure can't think what it would be.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'm really curious about this one.

I can not move the slide release at all. The slide is stuck open with the extractor pin stuck out (first pic shows the exctractor). I tried slappin the back of the slide to get it to go forward, i tried pullin it back to get it to like reset, I tried just slappin the side of it to see if anything would happen. I can't move the thing. Everyone I talked to on here through PMs and on another forum i'm part of and the gunsmith at the shop; they all said they've never heard of it or seen it ever happen. Guess i'm just 1 in a million lol

**DannyR** · 02-18-2010, 13:05

First of all, you are looking at the ejector and not the extractor. Secondly, the ejector is fixed and appears normal in your photo. Make sure the gunsmith is a certified Glock armorer before he touches your pistol.

**DannyR** · 02-18-2010, 13:11

Try holding the trigger back while working the slide.

ipscshooter · 02-18-2010, 13:12

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Originally Posted by DannyR

First of all, you are looking at the ejector and not the extractor.

Of course you are right, Danny.

I meant ejector. The "Newbs" have me saying the wrong things. What's that saying?.....say something enough and it's true. Pretty soon I'll be saying clip.

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 13:29

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Originally Posted by DannyR

Try holding the trigger back while working the slide.

Tried it at the range lol Gunsmith has it now and he is certified. I didn't think about it, till you said something so I called and just asked if their gunsmith on site was certified Glock armorer; he is. Thanks for the heads up though. Thats why all the newbs use this board, for some wisdom and guidance.

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Originally Posted by ipscshooter

Of course you are right, Danny.

I meant ejector. The "Newbs" have me saying the wrong things. What's that saying?.....say something enough and it's true. Pretty soon I'll be saying clip.

Yea, Freakin FNGs

jack76590 · 02-18-2010, 13:30

I am not fan of the brown "break in lube". I really think glock uses it less for break in and more just to have some lube that will remain until glock sold. I had a slide jam on a G26 and I think it was combination of the break in lube and additional lube I added forming some kind of gunk for lack of better term. I broke slide free, cleaned real well, relubed with normal oil and it has performed fine since then.

I recommend you clean real well, lube per glock instructions and then hand cycle a few hundred time NOT letting slide slam shut. Then clean, lube again and hand cycle some more. Then clean, lube, shoot. At least this can not hurt anything and it should wear in the slide-frame connection without expending ammo. Good luck.

ipscshooter · 02-18-2010, 15:48

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Originally Posted by USAFtrevor87

Yea, Freakin FNGs

My comment wasn't meant to be a slam at FNG's. I was one once.

I seldom, intentionally slam anyone.

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 17:39

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Originally Posted by ipscshooter

My comment wasn't meant to be a slam at FNG's. I was one once.

I seldom, intentionally slam anyone.

I didn't mean anything by it lol I was being sarcastic cause i'm a newb.

zysus · 02-18-2010, 18:03

Bought a G17 NIB about 2 months ago. The staff at the range I shoot at said they recommend you don't clean or lube it for the first 1k rounds. I'm about 300 rounds into that and I haven't had one FTF or FTE yet.

One trigger pull means one bullet leaves and the next one is good to go. Exactly the reason I got the Glock.

I'm shooting mostly 124gr. FMJ American Eagle with some Speer 115gr JHP for good measure.

We'll see how it goes from here.

ronin.45 · 02-18-2010, 18:31

I also have never seen a glock lock back like that. Anything man made can have mistakes. If the problem is found and fixed I would test fire like normal and then trust it to do it's job.

bustedknee · 02-18-2010, 19:05

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Originally Posted by GLOCK MONSTER

it`s not a clip it`s a "magazine" . A clip is for a long gun not for pistols !

Really?

I thought a clip was for loading a fixed magazine.
Mostly in long guns but not unheard of in a pistol (Mauser Broomhandle).
A lot of long guns have magazines. Some are fixed and some are removable.

curator · 02-18-2010, 19:13

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Originally Posted by DannyR

First of all, you are looking at the ejector and not the extractor. Secondly, the ejector is fixed and appears normal in your photo. Make sure the gunsmith is a certified Glock armorer before he touches your pistol.

He's BAAAACK!

We missed you!

njl · 02-18-2010, 19:17

In your pictures, the slide is nearly fully back, but the slide stop does not appear to be engaged.

What was holding the slide back? Would it go forward if you helped it some, or was it really stuck like that? Perhaps there's something wrong with / binding against the recoil assembly spring?

I handled a Gen4 G17 today that had a very stiff slide...and I have a 1911 where the slide to frame fit is so tight, I can pull the slide back, and at some points it will just about stick...but I've never seen a Glock do that.

It looks a little cold where you are. I wonder if just thoroughly cleaning the gun (esp the slide grooves and rails) and oiling with a light oil would make a difference?

AustinTx · 02-18-2010, 19:21

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Originally Posted by GLOCK MONSTER

it`s not a clip it`s a "magazine" . A clip is for a long gun not for pistols !

Don't pay any attention to that thing. It just pops up now and then. I knew what you were referring to, I guess nobody else did.

You'll get your Glock to running right shortly. Don't let this ruin the experience of your first Glock.

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 19:42

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Originally Posted by GLOCK MONSTER

it`s not a clip it`s a "magazine" . A clip is for a long gun not for pistols !

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinTx

Don't pay any attention to that thing. It just pops up now and then. I knew what you were referring to, I guess nobody else did.

You'll get your Glock to running right shortly. Don't let this ruin the experience of your first Glock.

Thanks

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Originally Posted by njl

In your pictures, the slide is nearly fully back, but the slide stop does not appear to be engaged.

What was holding the slide back? Would it go forward if you helped it some, or was it really stuck like that? Perhaps there's something wrong with / binding against the recoil assembly spring?

I handled a Gen4 G17 today that had a very stiff slide...and I have a 1911 where the slide to frame fit is so tight, I can pull the slide back, and at some points it will just about stick...but I've never seen a Glock do that.

It looks a little cold where you are. I wonder if just thoroughly cleaning the gun (esp the slide grooves and rails) and oiling with a light oil would make a difference?

I tried to explain that the slide stop (or whatever its called lol still learnin the lingo) wasn't engaged. No one else pointed this out so i'm not sure if anyone noticed it, except you. But no; the slide wouldn't move at all. I tried everything. Pullin, slappin, pullin the trigger and tryin to move the slide it was stuck up. and the extractor pin is visible when you look down the breech and out the bottom of the grip. It sticks right out. Its like if you were shooting. You were shootin and shootin, then on a random round the bullet fires fine, extracts fine, but then as soon as the extractor spits out that round it freezes in place? All moving parts freeze in place. thats what happened.

Yea its cold, but after the last time to range I cleaned and lubed per the Glock Manual, with some insight from Hickok45 (youtube), and some members from here. I will post again when I hear back from the Smithy.

AustinTx · 02-18-2010, 19:51

The ejector, in a Glock does not move. It just sticks out there so that when the slide comes flying back, it will hit the case base and throw the fired case out. You can't possibly have much wrong. A Glock isn't that complicated. I can't see this happening without some sort of major failure with the firing mechanism. It will be fixed.

USAFtrevor87 · 02-18-2010, 19:56

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Originally Posted by AustinTx

The ejector, in a Glock does not move. It just sticks out there so that when the slide comes flying back, it will hit the case base and throw the fired case out. You can't possibly have much wrong. A Glock isn't that complicated. I can't see this happening without some sort of major failure with the firing mechanism. It will be fixed.

Oh okay, well that makes me understand a little better. i don't know if thats a good thing or a bad thing when you say "some sort of major failure" ughh

All I gotta say is, the damn thing only has 400 rounds through it and is 2 weeks old. My local gun shop where I bought it, better fix it for free or i might flip lol
I guess if worse comes to worse I contact Glock and pay the $40 shipping and get it figured out. oh well, what can ya do