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Old 04-06-2010, 22:10   #21
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I've tried 4 different DT loads (two 180s and two 200s) in two different 10mms. Accuracy was poor to bad with all, compared to Silvertips, Hornady and Georgia Arms reloads. They also switched bullets (Hornady to Montana Gold) without notifying me or properly labeling the ammo. I will not be buying any more ammunition from DT.

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PS: Should have mentioned I do my testing at 20-25 yards. Groups with DT run 5-6 inches. The other stuff is more like 2-2.5 inches, this for 5 shot groups from two hand supported position.
I have to agree with you about DT. I have had accuracy problems with their ammo for the last year. I have measured OAL's on their loads and they are all over the place. Mostly below 1.250 I have had DT 165 Remmington GS measured as low as 1.243 and some in the same box 1.252. This alone will cause some accuracy issues. I think that Montana Golds are decent bullets. Their are very consistant weight wise. I have measured a hundred or so bullets and they have all been within .3 gr of 165. Can't say that for Speer or Golden Sabers. I have had variations as much as + or - 3 to 4 grains of 165 with both of those bullets. I wonder if anyone can tell me how ell the Montana's open up.
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:02   #22
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the montana gold used for the DT 9mm loading is a poor expander. very shallow cavity. barely increases diameter of bullet. if this is the standard design it may as well be a fmj in a 10mm.

when i get my G29 i will do some target shooting with it and my G20 with some DT 165gr. Gold Dots and DT 135gr. Noslers.
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Old 04-18-2010, 17:33   #23
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I tried the same batch of DT in my new KKM drop-in barrel today. Accuracy seemed to be just a bit better, and the cases were in good enough shape to reload.

I felt much more comfortable with the KKM barrel shooting these rounds. They may be better suited to the rifling. But still they were nowhere near as accurate as my handloads, so I won't be buying any more. I think they're just too hot for good accuracy.

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Old 04-18-2010, 23:50   #24
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I shot some 10mm DT 200gr WFN BTB in my Razorback a day or so ago when I was visiting pops and shot several mags at some Shoot-N-See targets at about 20-25 YARDS rested (uncomfortably, I might add) on the back of a four wheeler rack and the first three or four shots were all within about 4 inches.... the groups got worse and worse (which I attribute to me flinching due to hard recoil and lack of practice) but the first shots were dead on. DEAD on.

That load sure is a slammer.... wish you had better luck with its accuuracy....
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Hmm, interesting results there. And you shoot a G29 right?
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Hmm, interesting results there. And you shoot a G29 right?
Well, in my last post I mentioned it was with my Razorback but I also own a G29 and it seems to like DT stuff...
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:36   #27
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I get great results with my reloaded ammo. At 7 yards I can most of the times keep my groups quite small. Most of the time I can cover the group with a quarter. I will have to look at my numbers when I get off work to see what was the best. I carry double tap but habe never Shot a lot of It.
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DT is over hyped, has never delivered advertised performance in any of my 3 10mm, and now is overpriced. The ammo I load for myself is far superior to DT in performance accuracy and cost. The effort to load your own is worth it.
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Hickock45 is a gun guru and has posted a video on YouTube demonstrating the bad accuracy from some DT loads from the G20.

On camera he switched to his Lone Wolf barrel and accuracy improved dramatically.

He says he has been in contact with the owner of DT to address the problem.

Until then, Buyer Be Ware.
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Hickock45 is a gun guru and has posted a video on YouTube demonstrating the bad accuracy from some DT loads from the G20.

On camera he switched to his Lone Wolf barrel and accuracy improved dramatically.

He says he has been in contact with the owner of DT to address the problem.

Until then, Buyer Be Ware.
I would not hold my breath. DT CS has deteriorated over the last couple of years. Gained a good reputation and now they are capitalizing on it at the expense of long time customers.
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I run the 230gr hardcasts with no problems in my 20, but I am using a KKM barrel.

I have not used the stock barrel with this load because it's lead...and since it's not advised to shoot lead out of the stock barrel, I won't, even though many claim to have no problems shooting lead out of the stock barrel.

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I run the 230gr hardcasts with no problems in my 20, but I am using a KKM barrel.

I have not used the stock barrel with this load because it's lead...and since it's not advised to shoot lead out of the stock barrel, I won't, even though many claim to have no problems shooting lead out of the stock barrel.

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I think I should hop in here and make an important distinction: the DT 200, 215 and 230 grain WFN BTB loads aren't really "lead" but rather hardcast which is very similar but not the same. Hardcast loads will not create pressure problems in stock Glock barrels like simple "lead" bullets will. Research a bit on this and you will see.

Also, as for people not reporting any "problems" with certain loads in Glocks, that's probably because there probably wouldn't be any reported "problems" noticed until the barrel exploded from overpressure, lol.

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I think I should hop in here and make an important distinction: the DT 200, 215 and 230 grain WFN BTB loads aren't really "lead" but rather hardcast which is very similar but not the same. Hardcast loads will not create pressure problems in stock Glock barrels like simple "lead" bullets will. Research a bit on this and you will see.

Also, as for people not reporting any "problems" with certain loads in Glocks, that's probably because there probably wouldn't be any reported "problems" noticed until the barrel exploded from overpressure, lol.

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I didn't know that, I thought the hardcast bullets were made of strong lead. Take a look at http://www.reloadsnmore.com/, they sell "Hard Cast Lead Bullets". Are they in fact lead?

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I didn't know that, I thought the hardcast bullets were made of strong lead. Take a look at http://www.reloadsnmore.com/, they sell "Hard Cast Lead Bullets". Are they in fact lead?

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Lead and Hardcast DO share many of the same elements, yes, but they are completely different animals when used as bullets.
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To the OP, you can grab a shooting correction target that will help you adjust for the more stout loads. My guess is you may be pushing in anticipation of the recoil, not to say its not a QC issue. DT seems to have taken a dive in the recent years.

Nick- I pulled out a box of 200gr Mikes BT's the other day from his initial release, and you are right...out of my G20 & G29 they have a true 10mm feel I am a bit disappointed with the CS and QC currently. I remember back in the day if there was any issue, which was so rare, Mike would be on top of it like white on rice.
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Old 05-02-2010, 12:36   #36
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Well, another test run at the range today. I cut out the 10 ring with some of my hand loaded 180-gr. Hornady XTP's over 6.6-gr. Unique, unfired Starline brass, and CCI primers. Everything was smooth and nice.

I finished off a box of DT 180-gr. Noslers with the KKM drop-in barrel. Contrary to my previous results there was very good accuracy. Pretty much a 180* turn from the first few tests with this ammo.

The two targets side by side from my hand loads and the DT were identical - 10 ring and a good chunk of 9 ring missing from both.

The rounds are still too hot for me to consider carrying them, but at least now there is evidence that at least a few magazines full will go where you point them.
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