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Old 04-04-2015, 12:44   #1
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Homeland security, buying non lethal ammo

Just in from infowars, sorry can't post the link, maybe someone here can, I did verify this with another source, this is far more ominous to me than all the lethal ammo they have already bought....these are only for riots.... I can understand municipal police having some of this on hand, but why homeland security?
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Old 04-04-2015, 12:46   #2
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Old 04-04-2015, 19:46   #3
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Just in from infowars, sorry can't post the link, maybe someone here can, I did verify this with another source, this is far more ominous to me than all the lethal ammo they have already bought....these are only for riots.... I can understand municipal police having some of this on hand, but why homeland security?
You'd rather they have to resort to lethal ammo?
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Old 04-04-2015, 20:01   #4
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John you,re missing the point, a certain amount of bulk ammo is procured in multi year bulk contraCts for training, but non lethal ammo is used for actual riots, I have never seen regular marksmanship trng with non lethal ammo, perhaps they do, however that is the obvious concern
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Old 04-04-2015, 20:12   #5
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Corroborate it from another source, and then I'll read it.

Meanwhile, Infowars =
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Old 04-04-2015, 20:13   #6
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I did verify this with another source
Really?

Who?

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Old 04-04-2015, 20:38   #7
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Just about all federal law enforcement works under DHS. Buying non lethal stuff for them doesn't sound unusual or ominous to me. It may also be destined for state and local LE as part of grants. State and local LE have been known to get in on federal purchase orders because of there buying power.
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Infowars is good if you print it out on soft paper. Then you can wipe with it. Not saying they might not accidently get a nugget of truth here or there, but there is so much bull**** it ain't worth filtering it out.
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I don't have the link, so.....

Guess:
1. They are setting up a way for small jurisdictions to get non-lethal ammo. Lets face it, most small county sheriff departments probably don't have any on hand.
2. Although ammo really doesn't go bad unless stored improperly, they are buying the new stuff because technology has changed.
3. I heard through a twisted grape vine that some jurisdictions want officers to carry non-lethal ammo as the first round. Thinking that a rubber bullet will stop a meth addict trying to kill the officer..
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Just in from infowars, sorry can't post the link, maybe someone here can, I did verify this with another source, this is far more ominous to me than all the lethal ammo they have already bought....these are only for riots.... I can understand municipal police having some of this on hand, but why homeland security?
Another thread on this.

OK - you can understand "municipal police" having it, but not the biggest law enforcement agency in America? What sense does that even make?

The Mayberry Police Department needs nonlethal law enforcement ammo, but the U.S. Secret Service, the Coast Guard, ICE/Customs and the training center that trains everybody in federal law enforcement, shouldn't have them?
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John you,re missing the point, a certain amount of bulk ammo is procured in multi year bulk contraCts for training, but non lethal ammo is used for actual riots, I have never seen regular marksmanship trng with non lethal ammo, perhaps they do, however that is the obvious concern
Erm, you don't think they train with the non-lethal stuff before they use it?

Non lethal ammo is used for a myriad of situations well beyond riots. You are aware that DHS is made up of a whole bunch of different law enforcement agencies, right?
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sorry I bothered anyone....

must not be an issue then....
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Considering how wrong Infowars got the whole "BILLION ROUNDS OF AMMO!!!!!!!!!OMG!!!!!!" Story (it wasn't a billion, it was bad math on the part of the "journalist"), I wonder what they mean by "non lethal".

Is it rubber bullets, pepper balls, or gas for riot control, or FX and Sims for training? FX and Sims are a far different type of "non lethal" than the riot control ammo.

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The problem is most people cannot comprehend what the Department of Homeland Security even is, they portray is as an actual Federal LE agency. Homeland Security is simply a cabinet level department that the various federal LE agencies are structured under. This includes the Coast Guard, Secret Service, ICE, Border Patrol, ect. No different than how the FBI, DEA, Marshals and ATF fall under the Department of Justice. Strangely, you never hear of people claiming mysterious Department of Justice 'Agents' running around. Homeland Security is the structuring organization, the agents belong to the various agencies assigned to it.

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ray9898: Don't confuse chicken littles and conspiracy theorists with the facts. (wink wink). It ruins their excitement.

I would guess that the chicken littles did not read the procurement list. Lots of smoke grenades. Lots of flash bangs. No federal policing agency has ever used these items in the past! (oops, I am wrong. It seems that items like that were used years ago against a religious sect on instruction of Janet Reno),

If people want to get hysterical, try this. NATO is trying to put together a fast reaction force of 5000 soldiers who are supposed to be ready to go into action in 2 days. Considering that there are a few hundred million people on the European continent, I would be concerned.

Then again, the West German Army had 3500 tanks in the Cold War. Now down to 225 tanks. Yet, the distance from Russia to Berlin remains the same as during the Cold War.

The US Army is being reduced to its lowest level since the 1930s. Then again, if it were kept the same size, people would be theorizing it was going to be used against the American people.
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There have recently been some fairly significant riots in privately run, federal holding centers. To the point where one was almost burned down. Some of these contracts have been cancelled. I submit that this is at least part of the reason.
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A long time ago Johnny Carson used a toilet paper shortage as a joke in a monologue. Enough people bought into the joke and created a "run" in the stores.
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Old 05-01-2015, 17:40   #19
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not so funny now is it!!!!!!

the non lethal ammo is just the beginning.... Baltimore is not an outlier...it is just the very very beginning.... and the govt knows this....
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"the non lethal ammo is just the beginning.... Baltimore is not an outlier...it is just the very very beginning.... and the govt knows this...."

Not my federal government.
1. it cannot seem to be able to find telemarketers who call incessantly;
2. it cannot find communists/communist sources within the FBI;
3. Were the Watts riots of 1965, the Watts riots of 1992, the Boston Marathon the very very beginning?
4. My government cannot find illegal aliens to deport;
5. My government can not find cataloged emails;

I had to look up the definition of 'outlier:

In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. An outlier may be due to variability in the measurement or it may indicate experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set

So, I cannot figure what the posting means.
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