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Old 09-23-2010, 16:36   #1041
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If'n youse lives in Colorado youse might be able ta specify the accuracy of my post.

I don't believe it's statewide.'08.
It is my understanding that this statement is accurate. I don't think it has much to do with government but rather the water is already owned. The argument is that if you harvest water you are stealing from the farmers, towns, industry, etc who own the rights to the water in, for example, the ditches.
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Old 09-23-2010, 20:23   #1042
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Yeah, I don't understand the "water harvesting" comment...I mean if you live near a creek and have a bucket...you can harvest all the water you want...no?

Or do they frown upon wells and general water consumption for some (green) reason?

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I do believe, generally speaking, that rainwater is owned by the state. Surely it will ultimately be found to be owned by the Federal government when times get desperate enough.

Expect for backyard gardeners to begin to experience government problems as well.
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Old 09-23-2010, 20:44   #1043
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Different response

Aftermath of the Watts riots. I turned on television. I was thunderstruck - block after block of people lined up for something. It was the local residents lining up for the welfare checks at the post office as the post office was refusing to deliver mail.

So, people will stand docilely in line if the handouts continue.

What happens when you believe there are no consequences for your actions? The Watts riots informed you that some segment of the population will start looting.

In the real world, most households don't have more than a couple days of food. What then? Well, my sister in law just got done with 14 days of having her jaw wired shut and getting 500 calories a day. She lost 14 pounds the first week and went into a weak depression. This is what will happen to people when the handouts stop and the food runs out abruptly.
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Old 09-23-2010, 23:11   #1044
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Am I reading this right? You can't collect the rain water that fall on your building and store it? Don't they realize it is still going back into the aquifer after you use it?
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Old 09-23-2010, 23:59   #1045
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I do believe, generally speaking, that rainwater is owned by the state. Surely it will ultimately be found to be owned by the Federal government when times get desperate enough.

Expect for backyard gardeners to begin to experience government problems as well.


I just saw on the news a couple of days ago where a man was fined for growing too many veggies he was giving them away and they fined him and told him not to grow more than he needed I think is what they said.

Crazy world we're livin' in now a days!

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Old 09-24-2010, 00:08   #1046
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Am I reading this right? You can't collect the rain water that fall on your building and store it? Don't they realize it is still going back into the aquifer after you use it?
Ya Red,your reading it right.As far as I care,I pay the taxes on the property that the rain fell on "ergo" it's mine.

As ta the aquifer,I think the .gub folks would rather control the resource and "dole" it out as THEY see fit.You seem ta have missed the point/not a slight,.gub hates the fact that some folk will take care of themselves WITHOUT the need for .gubs aid,it infuriates them,"ergo" they seem ta need ta take steps ta insure that "folks" have ta go ta .gub for their very existence.

We are on a 4 layered water system here,grid/genny/solar/hand pump,we also have 8 suitable rain gathering set-ups here and the same tiered ^^^ set-up at the bol.'08.
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Old 09-24-2010, 00:09   #1047
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I just saw on the news a couple of days ago where a man was fined for growing too many veggies he was giving them away and they fined him and told him not to grow more than he needed I think is what they said.

Crazy world we're livin' in now a days!

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Sounds vaguely like the Interstate Commerce case where a farmer growing food for himself and buying all the supplies from instate got slammed by feds because he was interfering with "interstate" commerce because he didn't buy something from out of state, thereby denying out of staters his money... what the hell?
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Old 09-24-2010, 05:18   #1048
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Aftermath of the Watts riots. I turned on television. I was thunderstruck - block after block of people lined up for something. It was the local residents lining up for the welfare checks at the post office as the post office was refusing to deliver mail.

So, people will stand docilely in line if the handouts continue.

What happens when you believe there are no consequences for your actions? The Watts riots informed you that some segment of the population will start looting.

In the real world, most households don't have more than a couple days of food. What then? Well, my sister in law just got done with 14 days of having her jaw wired shut and getting 500 calories a day. She lost 14 pounds the first week and went into a weak depression. This is what will happen to people when the handouts stop and the food runs out abruptly.
So you don't think out of desperation and what minimal survival instincts they do have...they'll use that few days worth of energy to become violent and hunt/gather in their own ghetto-induced way?

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I think violence and mayhem will be the order of the day when the gravy train grinds to a halt. We owe them, one way or another, they will come get it. Simple as that. You have seen it time and time again when SHTF in certain areas.

Notice you don't see it when snowstorms or tornadoes hit other areas, but when disaster hits a handout rich area, whoa... Nelly! Here come the lootin and shootin!
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:23   #1050
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I just saw on the news a couple of days ago where a man was fined for growing too many veggies he was giving them away and they fined him and told him not to grow more than he needed I think is what they said.
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As ta the aquifer,I think the .gub folks would rather control the resource and "dole" it out as THEY see fit. . . . gub hates the fact that some folk will take care of themselves WITHOUT the need for .gubs aid,it infuriates them,"ergo" they seem ta need ta take steps ta insure that "folks" have ta go ta .gub for their very existence.
If TSHTF in a serious way, the .gov agents who come around enforcing stupid regulations such as this might not get a very warm welcome. . .

We started going down hill when we allowed .gov bureaucracies to pass REGULATIONS that have the same standing enforcement and punishment wise, as LAWS. .
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Old 09-24-2010, 10:56   #1051
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I think violence and mayhem will be the order of the day when the gravy train grinds to a halt. We owe them, one way or another, they will come get it. Simple as that. You have seen it time and time again when SHTF in certain areas.

Notice you don't see it when snowstorms or tornadoes hit other areas, but when disaster hits a handout rich area, whoa... Nelly! Here come the lootin and shootin!
i agree 100%
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Old 09-24-2010, 17:43   #1052
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I think violence and mayhem will be the order of the day when the gravy train grinds to a halt. We owe them, one way or another, they will come get it. Simple as that. You have seen it time and time again when SHTF in certain areas.

Notice you don't see it when snowstorms or tornadoes hit other areas, but when disaster hits a handout rich area, whoa... Nelly! Here come the lootin and shootin!
I completely agree. When the hand-outs stop, people will form into groups and take what they want - or try. As to the second paragraph, I think that some communities may actually refrain from turning on themselves. Take the floods in Iowa, for instance. Those neighbors generally pulled together. Problem there is, the community that manages to stay peaceful will soon be victimized by predators.

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If TSHTF in a serious way, the .gov agents who come around enforcing stupid regulations such as this might not get a very warm welcome. . .
Eh, I think that in a complete SHTF situation, Johnny G-man will be too busy defending government installations and maintaining what little government there will be left over. If they venture into neighborhoods at all, it'll be in isolated situation and in big numbers.
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I think violence and mayhem will be the order of the day when the gravy train grinds to a halt. We owe them, one way or another, they will come get it. Simple as that. You have seen it time and time again when SHTF in certain areas.

Notice you don't see it when snowstorms or tornadoes hit other areas, but when disaster hits a handout rich area, whoa... Nelly! Here come the lootin and shootin!
I agree.
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TC guy has been conspicuously absent... hmmm....
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Old 09-24-2010, 23:31   #1055
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Maybe he's going to get his handout!

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Old 09-26-2010, 07:30   #1056
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Disagreeing is fine. But you need to get "the majority" agreeing bit out of your head. That's exactly one of the things that eventually outed you as a Marxist/socialist/progressive.
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Then I guess the losing candidate has every right to assume the office they ran for , eh? After all, we shouldn't be listening to the will of the majority in your opinion. Of course its a balancing act, with the will of the majority and the rights of the individual, but you don't get to thumb your nose at laws as a lone holdout, and the majority shouldn't be held hostage by a loon or two who thinks the UFOs are on their way. Its a balancing act.

I've read the Constitution numerous time.

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Good to have you back, TC. So, what conservative views do you hold again? Name one conservative value you hold near and dear.
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Good to have you back, TC. So, what conservative views do you hold again? Name one conservative value you hold near and dear.
Its a matter of definitions. My definitions may not agree with yours. You wanting a government thats 90% smaller than what we have isn't just "conservative", it borders on being a fringe opinion. I agree with the belief that there are areas where the gov't should be smaller, and i disagree with those who want the gov't to grow more than it has.

The problem is that many Conservatives have the mindset that if you don't agree EXACTLY with them, you aren't a "real" conservative.
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Its a matter of definitions. My definitions may not agree with yours. You wanting a government thats 90% smaller than what we have isn't just "conservative", it borders on being a fringe opinion. I agree with the belief that there are areas where the gov't should be smaller, and i disagree with those who want the gov't to grow more than it has.

The problem is that many Conservatives have the mindset that if you don't agree EXACTLY with them, you aren't a "real" conservative.
Don't worry about my definition. Just name your own conservative values that you think are conservative.

My own opinion is that the Federal government needs to be limited to its 18 enumerated powers, no more and no less. The rest goes to the States and the people, as per the 9th and 10th Amendments. The Constitution needs to be strictly interpreted. Changes need to go through the Amendment process, not judicial activism. Courts do not interpret the Constitution. Courts use the Constitution as the framework and guideline to interpret novel laws and situations.

The rest is simple if you just follow what our Founding Fathers laid out. It's not that complicated.
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