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Old 09-27-2010, 19:47   #1081
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Listening to one of the few decent Congresscritters today. He mentioned that if the November elections go the way everyone is anticipating there is a high likelihood that Congress will NOT vote to raise the debt ceiling once again.

This could create some interesting times on the near horizon.
Interesting....talk about that some more...in your opinion of course.

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Old 09-27-2010, 19:55   #1082
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Interesting....talk about that some more...in your opinion of course.

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I dunno. Thoughts are scattered.

I doubt a congress that takes that step will be inclined to raise taxes to fund spending. So I would expect some nasty battles with the WH over the budget, perhaps a revisit of the 1990's government shut down (a beautiful thing).

It could save the Obama presidency much the same way Newt and the fellas saved the Clinton one by making him look fiscally responsible.

It could cause the radicals to hit the accelerator and instigate violence to advance their agenda. Riots, bombings. That may sound a little absurd, but keep in mind that these folks are very, very close to achieving their goals and to have it snatched away from them will make them desperate, and violent. The unions will be VERY involved in this as their pensions and healthcare depend on government bailouts.

I guess the point of my post is that we generally think along the lines of the handouts stopping due to an end game type scenario, when something as simple as a "no" vote on raising the debt ceiling can cause a fairly immediate reckoning, or at least a partial one.
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Old 09-27-2010, 20:42   #1083
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I dunno. Thoughts are scattered.

I doubt a congress that takes that step will be inclined to raise taxes to fund spending. So I would expect some nasty battles with the WH over the budget, perhaps a revisit of the 1990's government shut down (a beautiful thing).

It could save the Obama presidency much the same way Newt and the fellas saved the Clinton one by making him look fiscally responsible.

It could cause the radicals to hit the accelerator and instigate violence to advance their agenda. Riots, bombings. That may sound a little absurd, but keep in mind that these folks are very, very close to achieving their goals and to have it snatched away from them will make them desperate, and violent. The unions will be VERY involved in this as their pensions and healthcare depend on government bailouts.

I guess the point of my post is that we generally think along the lines of the handouts stopping due to an end game type scenario, when something as simple as a "no" vote on raising the debt ceiling can cause a fairly immediate reckoning, or at least a partial one.
Now see you started by talking about the past and the possibilities...and then you went ahead and said "reckoning"...and peaked my interest again!

Sort of seems like the election itself is of little (but still some) consequence. Ultimately it's the results we see in the next few months. And it looks like a damned if you do damned if you don't situation...no?

I mean if you raise taxes, people can't/won't pay them and it could very well lead to a revolution/rioting/etc. If you don't raise taxes, what happens to all the mountains of debt and the big black hole we're in financially as a country?

Either way I'm just glad I own a good percentage of my own home, lots of guns/ammo, and some bullion.

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Old 09-27-2010, 21:18   #1084
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Now see you started by talking about the past and the possibilities...and then you went ahead and said "reckoning"...and peaked my interest again!

Sort of seems like the election itself is of little (but still some) consequence. Ultimately it's the results we see in the next few months. And it looks like a damned if you do damned if you don't situation...no?

I mean if you raise taxes, people can't/won't pay them and it could very well lead to a revolution/rioting/etc. If you don't raise taxes, what happens to all the mountains of debt and the big black hole we're in financially as a country?

Either way I'm just glad I own a good percentage of my own home, lots of guns/ammo, and some bullion.

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By reckoning I mean more bills than can be paid.

Now, the .gov is able to simply raise the debt ceiling to pay the bills. If it is unable to do so, something's gotta give sooner rather than later.

Raising taxes doesn't increase revenue to the government. Growing the economy does. I think even folks like .264 Magnum will agree that the only way out of this mess is growth. I just don't see an environment that is conducive to significant growth on the near horizon so that leaves the .gov with the money it has now, while mandatory spending (medicare, medicaid, Social Security) is only increasing.
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Hopefully,after November,they be booted/lame.'08.
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Old 09-28-2010, 00:30   #1086
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The cauldron has been simmering for a long time now and it's going to boil over in November for sure. No matter what happens, the libs will pull out all the stops to lie, cheat and steal it any which way they can muster, even if it is blatant.

Just heard about an election that just took place for a Democratic primary and the top 2 party nominees were apart by 1 vote after an initial recount... then it got interesting. Of 1,300 votes cast in that primary, 100 of them were by illiterate Somalis who can't even read simple English.

The judge who reviewed the case said forget the election results for now, how did these people become citizens? How do they have any idea of what they are voting for?

Notice no media coverage... the Dems are pulling this stuff on their own primary, what makes you think they won't do worse against the Republicans?

Then when the results come out, if the Dems win, I see a pedal to the floor acceleration of all their socialist ideas... with the resultant upheaval with the increasingly conservative population... if the Dems lose, the entitlement crowd will cry racism and other popular victim mantras of the day and riot.

Either way, it is not going to be pretty come November 3rd. I'm already seeing that even on the local level here... it's getting very ugly and people are playing all the race cards and other things to get voter sympathy by promising the usual government largess and special interest catering.
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The cauldron has been simmering for a long time now and it's going to boil over in November for sure. No matter what happens, the libs will pull out all the stops to lie, cheat and steal it any which way they can muster, even if it is blatant.

Just heard about an election that just took place for a Democratic primary and the top 2 party nominees were apart by 1 vote after an initial recount... then it got interesting. Of 1,300 votes cast in that primary, 100 of them were by illiterate Somalis who can't even read simple English.

The judge who reviewed the case said forget the election results for now, how did these people become citizens? How do they have any idea of what they are voting for?

Notice no media coverage... the Dems are pulling this stuff on their own primary, what makes you think they won't do worse against the Republicans?

Then when the results come out, if the Dems win, I see a pedal to the floor acceleration of all their socialist ideas... with the resultant upheaval with the increasingly conservative population... if the Dems lose, the entitlement crowd will cry racism and other popular victim mantras of the day and riot.

Either way, it is not going to be pretty come November 3rd. I'm already seeing that even on the local level here... it's getting very ugly and people are playing all the race cards and other things to get voter sympathy by promising the usual government largess and special interest catering.
Dewd,I'd love a link ta the above.'08.
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Dewd,I'd love a link ta the above.'08.
Heard it on the Rusty Humphries show over the weekend... I'll do some digging.
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Old 09-28-2010, 06:28   #1089
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Name some of your favorite government activities and how it is justified under the Constitution. Give me a few.

Just a few to get you started. You don't have to use all of them, but try to answer a few just to clarify in my head how you think:

Social Security
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I have no problem with BLM, IRS, USDA, USPS, DOT. I believe that each one of those has a legitimate function nationally.

I have no idea what USCIS is.

DO Energy? I guess you don't want any national oversight into nuke power? I have no idea what DOEnergy does other than nukes.

DO Education? We need a uniform national approach to education if we're going to make any improvements in education to make us competitive internationally. Yes, there are problems with education, but you can't blame it ALL on DOEd.

Not in favor of the universal healthcare. Social Security and Medicare..go ahead and debate these programs all you want at this point, but both programs have far too many supporters to ever see either program altered to any meaningful degree.
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WOW!

Really?

Perhaps you can tell me where I can find the following:

1. Constitutional authority to regulate education.
2. Constitutional authority to regulate my toilet.
3. Constitutional authority to regulate my food.
4. Constitutional authority to regulate my healthcare.
5. Constitutional authority to discriminate based on income.
6. Constitutional authority to own land in the States (national parks).
7. Constitutional authority to regulate guns.
8. Constitutional authority to regulate alcohol, tobacco, marijuana.
9. Constitutional authority to regulate light bulbs.
10. Constitutional authority to provide medicare.
Interstate commerce, for much of that.
Food? Seriously? You have issues with the Feds regulating food safety? Why?
No one is discriminating based on income.
National Parks? You have some problem with national parks? You're simply showing the extent of your fringe thinking.

We'll never agree. Just accept it. But please don't think that any measureable number of Americans agree with your views.
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Interstate commerce, for much of that.
Why am I not surprised? Marxist Progressives lean on that to justify virtually ANY regulation.

You *DO* realize, from your extensive Constitutional study, that intent of IC was to FACILITATE commerce....to ensure that trade occurred freely between the states? It was NOT to give carte blanche to the fed to regulate anything that crossed state lines.

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Yes. First, it isn't necessary. Second, it isn't effective. Third, it can easily be abused. Fourth, it isn't CONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What brand of crack are you smoking? How can you possibly say this when, under the current system, income determines how much one citizen contributes to the treasury vs another citizen. Think for a change.

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Hell yes I do!

They aren't Constitutional! Nothing authorizes the Fed to own/control land in the states. They have valuable natural resources locked up or allocated along political lines.

And lastly, WE CAN'T AFFORD THEM! You Progressives have spent us into bankruptcy. The money that goes toward maintaining them is BORROWED thanks to you folks.

They should be sold at auction or turned over to the states in which they lie.

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I don't care if we agree. I just want to expose every Marxist Progressive I come across. If I can help you to realize the errors in your thinking and help you to discover liberty and respect for the Constitution, so be it.

Again, majority doesn't matter. The contract does. If the majority doesn't like it, they should change it.
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I have no problem with BLM, IRS, USDA, USPS, DOT. I believe that each one of those has a legitimate function nationally.
It doesn't matter if it has a "legitimate function" or not. It isn't authorized.

What does it take for you to understand this concept?
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I have no problem with BLM, IRS, USDA, USPS, DOT. I believe that each one of those has a legitimate function nationally.
That's funny TC most of us who are in the know have a problem with all of these.

Besides not being allowed in the Constitution they are ineffecient to say the least and corrupt by most standards.

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TC - we're all still waiting for you to detail out your many self-professed conservative views.

Several have inquired numerous times but you continue to ignore them.

Without your retort we're left with no choice but to maintain the opinion that your views are socialist/fascist/Marxist/progressive.
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I have no problem with BLM, IRS, USDA, USPS, DOT. I believe that each one of those has a legitimate function nationally.

I have no idea what USCIS is.

DO Energy? I guess you don't want any national oversight into nuke power? I have no idea what DOEnergy does other than nukes.

DO Education? We need a uniform national approach to education if we're going to make any improvements in education to make us competitive internationally. Yes, there are problems with education, but you can't blame it ALL on DOEd.

Not in favor of the universal healthcare. Social Security and Medicare..go ahead and debate these programs all you want at this point, but both programs have far too many supporters to ever see either program altered to any meaningful degree.
Thank you, I appreciate your direct responses.

Did you know the USDA makes loans for personal real estate? Or that USDA gives out grants to municipalities for purchase of medical equipment or police cars? Great things, no doubt, but is it their function?

USCIS is the Citizenship and Immigration Service, new name for INS after DHS took it over.

As for DOEnergy, that is the crux of the problem. The fed is so overreaching now that we don't have any idea what it is doing anymore. We are supposed to be able to know what our government is doing by reading the Constitution. That is its charter.

DOEd sets impossible standards and gives no money to back up its mandates and does not tailor its mission to local standards or needs. NCLB and other national mandates are killing local schools.

If Social Security and Medicare are so popular and awesome, then make it voluntary. People should be flocking to join them and there would be a long line and you would need to weed people out. If you give people a choice, see how many choose to be in those systems. The fact that you know even yourself would not want to be in that system if given the choice should be very telling.

I love this quote, "Democrats. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory."
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I love this quote, "Democrats. Ideas so good they have to be mandatory."
I like this one better for Democrats:
"The more their plans fail, the more the planners plan." -- Ronald Reagan
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Just heard about an election that just took place for a Democratic primary and the top 2 party nominees were apart by 1 vote after an initial recount... then it got interesting. Of 1,300 votes cast in that primary, 100 of them were by illiterate Somalis who can't even read simple English.
Which is why we need a MASSIVE conservative turn-out. So that their manipulations are overwhelmed by the shear volume of votes against them.

One thing i HATE is that we do mail in voting in WA State. So I fill out my ballot and it goes to some room someplace where I'm suppose to just trust that it is being counted correctly.
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Can't find it on the Rusty Humphries website. Maybe you can email him for details... ugh.
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Old 09-29-2010, 10:05   #1099
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Why is this in the survival forum? Well I'm going to throw a shot in the dark here and say that once anything extreme happens that has the potential to piss off a few million ghetto dwellers, things might get less than civil for the rest of society in an effort to exact some measure of revenge or equalize themselves with those more fortunate/hard working.

Please share your thoughts.

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Back to the original post for a moment...

If you look at Spain this morning you get an idea of how it can be among civilized working people who get wage cuts. How the unwashed and unworking entitled Americans react will make the Spanish riots look very tame indeed.
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Yeah, walkouts and work stoppages are tame compared to the LA Riots, NOLA and pretty much any professional sports team victory or whatever else was done in the name of "Social Justice".
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