Which .22 will mimic my PM9 for cheap practice - Page 2

targus · 04-12-2010, 22:35

You don't need to fully rack the slide, thereby ejecting a snap cap. You only need to pull the slide back a small mount to reset the trigger. You'll hear it "click" when it resets.

wagonm · 04-12-2010, 22:59

Thanks for the clarification, Targus... but unfortunately I still find it inconvenience in sense of practicing the DA trigger pull thru dry firing..... i know, I know, it is just how Kahr guns are designed for ... so I'm not complaining as if Kahr cheated on me.. LOL.

user · 04-13-2010, 05:21

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I'd avoid the Ruger Mark III because I think it's too hard to clean - when I had one, it always took me at least two hours just to get the derned thing back together.

And you're an attorney? Wow... And you're an attorney? Wow...

Yeah, and that's with the instructions in front of me, too. But ask me how to do a "Special Plea in Bar" or a "12(b)96) Motion to Dismiss" - I know how to do those.

Seriously, I was a mechanic and worked in a machine shop when I was a fresh-faced lad, and take guns apart and put them back together fairly routinely. Do my own action jobs and such.

The Mark III has a slide stop pin that doubles as a hammer strut end, and to put the thing together after having removed that slide stop pin requires that the hammer be in three different positions at different phases of the process. And turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain! (You DO completely remove the barrel and slide in order to thoroughly clean the gun, right?)

I went out to the garage and made a new slide stop pin with an improvement on my milling machine, but that didn't really make it any easier.

There's a guy in NJ who makes 'em with a screw-in adapter; I think I'd buy one of his if I were ever going to get another Mark III.

I stick with the S&W model 63 recommendation. Maybe replace the hammer spring and the trigger rebound spring with reduced power springs from Wolff to give it close to the (fairly light) trigger pull of the PM9.

Blitzer · 04-13-2010, 06:25

The Walther P22 is about the same size and feel is it not?

Cowart · 04-13-2010, 09:23

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turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain!

All you have to do is point the gun downwards and pull the trigger to move the hammer to the fired position. It only takes about 30 seconds to reassemble a Ruger 22 if you keep track of where the hammer is positioned.

targus · 04-13-2010, 09:28

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The Mark III has a slide stop pin that doubles as a hammer strut end, and to put the thing together after having removed that slide stop pin requires that the hammer be in three different positions at different phases of the process. And turning the gun around to get the pin in would always mess up where the hammer was positioned. What a pain! (You DO completely remove the barrel and slide in order to thoroughly clean the gun, right?)

Yes, I do thoroughly remove the complete barrel/upper assembly, along with the BOLT. These guns do not have slides. Maybe the Mk III is a bit different, but I doubt it. I've had several Mk IIs and currently have a Mk II 22/45. Never had a problem getting any of them back together. Slide the upper w/ bolt on the frame, push the vertical retaining pin straight up and through the bolt and upper at the rear, turn gun over, pull trigger, look for hammer strut and ensure it rides down in the slot and into the main spring plunger when "swinging" that assembly in to snap it down. Done. I can easily do it in under 30 seconds. Sorry it took you two hours.

Seriously... Ruger sells a zillion of these .22 pistols. Do you really think the design is so bad that the "public at large" can't handle putting it back together? Nope....

Why are you taking the slide stop pin out just to break it down for cleaning? Either you are doing it WAAAAY wrong or the Mk III really IS that different from the Mk II. If the latter is the case, I'll eat my words, but show me the exploded diagram and take down instructions first... The only differences are the loaded chamber indicator and magazine disconnect, which should NOT affect the way it takes down or goes back together over the Mk II design.

**DustyJacket** · 04-13-2010, 17:00

i was at the dealer today - they have an ISSC glock look-alike, except they have a slide mounted safety/hammer drop, and it has an external hammer, SA only.

So, not the same trigger pull as a Kahr, but not bad, either. $389 or so.

**DustyJacket** · 04-13-2010, 17:01

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