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Old 05-02-2014, 10:51   #1
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First baby is home, home defense question

I know this isnt specifically firearms related, but the wife had a baby girl on wednesday and now shes home, just curious if when you have an infant child in your home do the laws of home defense swing in your favor a little more, meaning no retreat, do whatever you have to do to stop the intruder, I live in PA but I figured this would be more of a broad thing. thanks
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:57   #2
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First, congratulations. Being a father has been the greatest experience of my life and I hope it is for you as well.

To answer your question, there is no law specifically saying you are allowed to kill people because you have a child.

The bottom line is this, if you are in fear of death or greatly bodily to either you or a loved one, defend your home. If not, don't. In general, if someone enters your home with the intent to commit a crime, you should be in fear of great bodily harm or death.

The presence of a child isn't really relevant. The presence of a threat is.

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Old 05-02-2014, 11:15   #3
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Ya still nervous as hell. But those little hands can no way possible fit around the grips of my g19 and g21 can't wait to teach her to shoot
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:19   #4
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Ya still nervous as hell.
That goes away pretty quick.

My advice, take as many videos as you possibly can. They really do grow up to fast. A few years from now you're going to see a newborn somewhere and then look at yours and think "Where did the time go?" And it is nice to have videos to watch at those times.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:22   #5
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You have two new defenses.

I was fearing for the life of my child.

My mind was not clear because I haven't HAd aNY SLEEP! IN 6 FRAKIN' MONTHS!!!
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First, congratulations. Being a father has been the greatest experience of my life and I hope it is for you as well.

To answer your question, there is no law specifically saying you are allowed to kill people because you have a child.

The bottom line is this, if you are in fear of death or greatly bodily to either you or a loved one, defend your home. If not, don't. In general, if someone enters your home with the intent to commit a crime, you should be in fear of great bodily harm or death.

The presence of a child isn't really relevant. The presence of a threat is.
This and only this will help you,know way it could be said any better.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:16   #7
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Congrats! New parents are supposed to worry... but just know that all old parents look back and laugh about the things we used to worry about and how silly our anxiety was!

State laws vary, so make sure you know yours. Having said that, getting to or preventing someone else from your child is valid in terms of defending your family. What used to be your room to defend to protect life, now includes every hallway and area between your room and the little life you are tasked with protecting in every way.


It is early, but start giving serious consideration and planning to how you will always lock and secure your firearms when they are not physically on you. It is important.

Look up your local laws, castle doctrine, etc.
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Old 05-02-2014, 13:03   #8
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There is no duty to retreat in PA. The laws have some gray areas, but basically if someone breaks into your occupied dwelling or vehicle and you are in fear of death, serious bodily injury, sexual assault, etc., then lethal force is justified. Outside of your home/vehicle there is still no duty to retreat. However for lethal force to be justified in most cases the attacker must have some type of weapon. A fist could potentially be considered a deadly weapon.
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Congrats on the new addition to the family. Here's a link to the PA castle doctrine:

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/...r=0040&pn=1038
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congratulations!

yes, I believe the law is more on your side when you have a child in the house. In some cases you can even shoot the bad guy in the back if you feel he is going for the kid. at least that's how it is here in Florida. You gotta love Castle Doctrine!

Enjoy your little girl, kids are awesome!

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You have two new defenses.

I was fearing for the life of my child.

My mind was not clear because I haven't HAd aNY SLEEP! IN 6 FRAKIN' MONTHS!!!
congrats from the other end of the turnpike.

see those 2 points? if I was on the jury, those 2 things would be more than enough to acquit
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That goes away pretty quick.

My advice, take as many videos as you possibly can. They really do grow up to fast. A few years from now you're going to see a newborn somewhere and then look at yours and think "Where did the time go?" And it is nice to have videos to watch at those times.
OMG, SO TRUE!!!

Mine are now 6 years and 4 years and I wish I could have more (wife says we are done though).

OP......

Make sure you start teaching them basic gun safety as early as possible. If you ask my 4-yo daughter what daddy's favorite gun is she will say AK-47! It's the cutest thing!

Enjoy your daughter.


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Old 05-03-2014, 17:30   #13
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Here in Mississippi you can legally use lethal force against anyone who is in the process of committing a felony against yourself, your property, or another individual. So at least here, if your child was in danger you'd be in the clear. Then again if someone was in your home illegally anyway you'd be in the clear. If someone was committing a felony against someone who was a complete stranger to you, and you decided to intervene you'd be in the clear. A lot of things aren't so great in Mississippi but our self defense laws are awesome.
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That goes away pretty quick.

My advice, take as many videos as you possibly can. They really do grow up to fast. A few years from now you're going to see a newborn somewhere and then look at yours and think "Where did the time go?" And it is nice to have videos to watch at those times.
I took a lot of videos with the first, few less with the second, not sure I even brought the cam corder out for the fourth one.

Some place around are the 8mm video tapes of the kids. Haven't watched them in years. Wife has about a hundred photo albums on the shelf.

Oldest graduates college next weekend. Time does go fast, but I'll be coming up on grand kids soon.

And OP, Teach them to shoot young. Rifle shooting paid for my daughters college.
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While guns can be dangerous, buckets kill more kids. Beware.

Oh yeah, and start a college savings account now.
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Old 05-03-2014, 21:09   #16
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Congratulations on the addition to your family.
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congratulations!

yes, I believe the law is more on your side when you have a child in the house. In some cases you can even shoot the bad guy in the back if you feel he is going for the kid. at least that's how it is here in Florida. You gotta love Castle Doctrine!

Enjoy your little girl, kids are awesome!

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In pretty much every state you may use lethal force to defend another person if you would be justified in defending yourself in the same situation. It makes no difference if that person is your spouse, your child, or a complete stranger on the street. The police and/or a jury would probably be more likely to take your side if the situation was questionable and you were protecting your child, but as far as the law is concerned it makes no difference. In most of PA I wouldn't worry about being charged for shooting an intruder.
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If PA is like Oklahoma, inside your home you have the right to absolute safety. The state justifies deadly force if intruder is breaking and entering. Here is a story that happened in southern OK. Jist of the story is an 18 yr old widow/mother was home alone with baby, two men attempt to break in. She's on the phone with 911 and one does break through the door and she blasts the guy with a 12 gauge.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/04/justic...uder-shooting/
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Congrats on your daughters birth!

As a father to a daughter all grown up, the best advice I can give you is read Bill Cosby's book: "Fatherhood".
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yes, I believe the law is more on your side when you have a child in the house. In some cases you can even shoot the bad guy in the back if you feel he is going for the kid. at least that's how it is here in Florida. You gotta love Castle Doctrine!
I don't think the Castle Doctrine matters whether there are 10 people or in the house or just you.
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