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Old 04-19-2010, 13:52   #1
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Want to consolidate to one 9mm round

Hickok45 told me that one of the things I should do to get better is pick a round that I like and stick with it. He said he has been reloading the same exact 9mm for years.

I already decided on the powder (WST). But I still need a bullet. I would like your recommendations on different brands and weights.

So far I have shot Berry's (115gr) and Rainier (124gr). I like the Berry's much more as they are more uniform in size and weight than the Rainier. Although I prefer the lower recoil of the 124gr bullet with less powder.

So I'm leaning toward 124gr or 147gr. Probably 147gr. Also probably plated as they as cheaper than jacketed and cleaner than lead.

So I need to try some different brands to see what I like best.

If you could only shoot one 9mm bullet for the rest of your life, what would it be?

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Old 04-19-2010, 14:04   #2
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The rest of your life is a long time. Considering the cost involved I would make a Lead Bullet in the 125gr weigth range and be done with it. Oh, I didn't mention buying a bottom pour furnace and a mold did I?
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:05   #3
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:07   #4
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Ahh, crap. My plan sucks.
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:11   #5
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Hickok45 told me that one of the things I should do to get better is pick a round that I like and stick with it. He said he has been reloading the same exact 9mm for years.

I already decided on the powder (WST). But I still need a bullet. I would like your recommendations on different brands and weights.

So far I have shot Berry's (115gr) and Rainier (124gr). I like the Berry's much more as they are more uniform in size and weight than the Rainier. Although I prefer the lower recoil of the 124gr bullet with less powder.

So I'm leaning toward 124gr or 147gr. Probably 147gr. Also probably plated as they as cheaper than jacketed and cleaner than lead.

So I need to try some different brands to see what I like best.

If you could only shoot one 9mm bullet for the rest of your life, what would it be?

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Any 124 gr bullet. Pick a Powder you like. No offence but "Hickok45" sounds like a really boring guy.
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:15   #6
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The rest of your life is a long time. Considering the cost involved I would make a Lead Bullet in the 125gr weigth range and be done with it. Oh, I didn't mention buying a bottom pour furnace and a mold did I?

Listen to Little Stevie, he has almost two months experience in casting.

Actually he's right, casting is the cheapest way to go in the long run plus gives you almost unlimited versatility without depending on outside vendors.

Perhaps I misunderstood part of your post... with like velocities a LIGHTER bullet will produce less recoil than a HEAVER bullet. If you like the heavier bullet but want less recoil simply back off your velocity... assuming Power Factor is not a consideration.

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Old 04-19-2010, 14:28   #7
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Perhaps I misunderstood part of your post... with like velocities a LIGHTER bullet will produce less recoil than a HEAVER bullet. If you like the heavier bullet but want less recoil simply back off your velocity... assuming Power Factor is not a consideration.
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With the heavier bullets I'm able to use less powder, therefore less recoil. I'm not concerned with the power factor. I should have been more clear.

I'm not really wanting to dive into the casting realm yet. I think the fumes are making some of you guys crazy

I'm thinking 124gr since it is a good medium size. So what brands do you guys like?
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:37   #8
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I think your overthinking this all just a little. Get what you can, when can, if the price is good. I have used Montana Gold, Zero, Rainers, Precision Delta, Precision, Remmington (I think it's been a while). When all you do is punch holes in some version of paper, or if you get lucky get to knock over a steel plate, it just seems silly to worry to much about what bullet you are using. With 124 gr FMJ bullets they are all going to have just about the same bearing surface and load to about the same fps with a mid range load. I wouldn't sweat it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 14:54   #9
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I use 135gr. X-treme bullets, and REX 2 powder. I do not use lead bullets. Smoke they produce. Sucks in a match when there is no wind and you cant see the target. Dont know if I really want to get back into casting. Would have too rob a bank too buy new barrels for my Glocks. Then could not use them during the match.
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Old 04-19-2010, 15:17   #10
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I use Berry's 115 for plinking and paper matches and load Berry's 124 for steel matches.
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Old 04-19-2010, 15:42   #11
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If I had to settle on only one 9mm bullet, it would be a 124gr JHP of any of the various manufacturers. As C4W stated, the design will be similar enough that a standardized recipe would work for any brand.

My rationale for the choice? A JHP will almost always be preferred over a FMJ to provide a higher degree of self defense, and the manufacturing process means that the bottom of the bullet will not be exposed lead (to eliminate any concern for indoor shooting). 124gr is the mid-weight bullet for the caliber, and while slightly more expensive than the 115gr, it is much cheaper and more readily available than the 147gr.

Personally, I won't standardize on any weight or design. I have probably seven different weights/designs of 9mm on hand, with more on order. With six acceptable handgun powders currently on hand, I can load to any specific need that I might envision.
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Old 04-19-2010, 15:48   #12
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I currently only load one plinking load for the 9MM. 115gr Berry's Plated Bullet over 4.7gr W231, 1.150 OAL. Cycles well, is accurate and pretty mild recoil. Just about perfect.
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Old 04-19-2010, 15:51   #13
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I'm sticking with a 125gr RFN sized to .358. 147 grain has too much recoil IMO.

+1 on the casting thing. Sure you can go buy bullets somewhere, but I like taking old, greasy dirty wheelweights and turning them into highly accurate projectiles that cost very little in materials. It's a hobby in and of itself.
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Old 04-19-2010, 16:07   #14
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A life time for one load is TOO long!! LOL I shoot a standard 115 JRN in my 9 MM's for matches across the board unless the supply is dried up then I go with 124's.

I don't load 9 MM SD ammo. I stick with Silvertips or HydraShoks for that.

I prefer BE or 231 but am not above using some powders i have one in matches over the years as I believe that if it works and is free it makes ideal practice stuff and the serious Gold mining is done with the stand rd load in use.

I admit my 45 ACP load has been a 200 gr H&G 68 over a charge of BE to make major for years in IPSC but when PPC came about I started working with the 185's for the lighter recoil. They feel real odd with such low velocity but PPC is accuracy at work not power.

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Old 04-19-2010, 16:33   #15
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You're the guy who JUST got his press, and you're ready to make final decisions?

Not being rude... just pointing out that maybe you should do a little experimenting before setting things in concrete.

You can get a Lone Wolf barrel and shoot lead... or buy moly-coated lead which is cheaper than FMJ, or buy cheap 115gr FMJs.

Me... I like the 147grain bullets. I've reloaded over 12,000+ Montana Gold bullets over the last year and I LOVE them, but I'm about to do a trial run of some Black Bullet molys... they're way cheaper. If I like them (worried about smoke as I practice indoors)... I'll shoot them for practice and shoot the MGs for competition.

And you were right... loaded to the SAME power factor, the 147gr load will feel softer than the 115gr load. That's why I like 'em.
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Old 04-19-2010, 16:36   #16
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I'm consolidated to one type of bullet. It's called "whatever is in stock and doesn't cost more than a complete factory round".
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Old 04-19-2010, 16:42   #17
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No offense but "Hickok45" sounds like a really boring guy.

Hickock is a great guy, I don't know the man personally but sure love his you-tube channel!!

Check it out!
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Hickock is a great guy, I don't know the man personally but sure love his you-tube channel!!

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Just telling people to get one powder and one bullet for the rest of your life???? Or even a extended period of time???? It's just reloading 9mm not sending a rocket to the moon, it's just not that complicated. I say buy a case of 124gr, then a case of 147gr, even a case of 115gr (but they suck, but you should find out for yourself). Then get a pound of a bunch of common powders. Beg borrow steal, Gio's chrono (he's a heavy sleeper and never locks his doors). Seriously, one bullet, one powder? BORING. Even I have loaded Powder Pistol, Titegroup, Bullseye and Solo 1000 in 9mm. And I don't even experiment that much compared to others.

Nice Avatar BTW, who is that, what movie?
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I'm not really wanting to dive into the casting realm yet. I think the fumes are making some of you guys crazy
I know what you mean. I think I'm the only caster here that hasn't been affected.
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I know what you mean. I think I'm the only caster here that hasn't been affected.
Your avatar would imply otherwise.
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Me... I like the 147grain bullets. I've reloaded over 12,000+ Montana Gold bullets over the last year and I LOVE them, but I'm about to do a trial run of some Black Bullet molys... they're way cheaper. If I like them (worried about smoke as I practice indoors)... I'll shoot them for practice and shoot the MGs for competition.
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I also did some experimentation with the Black Bullets international moly and have decided to go with the 130g - used 3.8g Solo1000 for powder, Federal small pistol primer, 1.135" OAL - G17 with lone wolf barrel - average of 1016fps. I was very happy with its over all performance and accuracy, clean burning as well, smoked like the Winchester white box.

Consolidating one brand of powder and bullet would be nice but I guess I'm the type of guy that wants to venture and experiment - that's why I wound up trying various brands and see how they differ. If cost were not a factor I would go with Montana gold and Zero - JHP's.
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Old 04-19-2010, 18:51   #22
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Thanks for sharing your favorites to everyone that did. That's exactly what I wanted to know.

And Steve, I hear you about it being boring. I love experimenting with different powders, OAL's, bullets, etc, just as much as the next guy. I was simply asking Hickok advice on how to get better. And this is one of the things that he suggested. I'll keep experimenting but I also want a designated range round to practice my skills with, that's all.

Thanks everybody for the help.

Oh ya, Steve, you should youtube Hickok45. He's a great guy and on of the best shooters of our time. Really modest and a great teacher. And a glocktalker.
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It's not about the gun or ammo. I think thats what your missing. Nothing wrong with making a load you like. But you make it sound like it's some big important part of the process. It's not. For example. I can take the same loading of Solo 1000. Stick a 9mm Precision Delta, 9mm Montana Gold or even a Zero 38Super bullet on top of the load and it won't make a bit of difference. Thats the point. I have used all those bullets on the same load of powder and that was the result. If he told you to get a load and stick with it maybe he was saying the same thing as me basically. Stop worrying about what your shooting and just shoot.
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I dont see how you can pick a powder before picking a bullet. Everything works together. I would try several powders to see what gave the best results.
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It's not about the gun or ammo. I think thats what your missing. Nothing wrong with making a load you like. But you make it sound like it's some big important part of the process. It's not. For example. I can take the same loading of Solo 1000. Stick a 9mm Precision Delta, 9mm Montana Gold or even a Zero 38Super bullet on top of the load and it won't make a bit of difference. Thats the point. I have used all those bullets on the same load of powder and that was the result. If he told you to get a load and stick with it maybe he was saying the same thing as me basically. Stop worrying about what your shooting and just shoot.
Hmm, point taken. I will consider your advice.
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