[DrtyHarry]

I'm very interested in getting one. I've read that 1911s in 10mm can often be a little problematic, so I'm wondering if there is a specific make that has a proven 10mm track record. I have fired two Deltas and both had far too many FTFs for me to justify investing in one. So I scratched Colt of the list.

Dan Wesson no longer makes 10mm in the 2010 line up, and I heard they were good. I'm also considering Kimber, even though I'm not a huge fan of them. I have one, but they don't shoot like any of my customs do (Wilson, Brown). I'm looking for something in the $1500 range, and this will be a woods and target pistol. I'm not looking to make this my EDC.

Fusion Arms looks like they make fine 1911s. I just don't know how good they are in 10mm...and they make long-slide versions as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


DH

[Fire_Medic]

I was all set on a Fusion myself, but I came across a NIB unfired 2009 DW CBOB in 10mm and sent the funds for it yesterday.

Fusion has a huge 10mm lineup and yes they have quite a few long slides, still eyeballing one of those as well.

[G33]

DW if you can get one soon.
Kimber also.
Wilson for $250 over .45 price.

[why]

Tanfoglio Witness in steel, fullsized. Gotta watch your OAL on the cartridges if you handload, but mine's 100% reliable.

[Waffentomas]

I'm curious, in the Deltas you fired, were they the original Deltas, circa 1981/2, or the new ones? or both? I have a DExxxxx I bought in 1987 and it's been very reliable.

If you can find a DW they are built well. The RZs have a more robust frame than the cast framed Pointman, but I load hot and tend to get smiles from my RZ. I do like the fully supported chamber on the Kimbers, but I sold my Eclipse because it was not reliable. I carry a Wilson CQB now, and love it. I suppose you could keep an eye out for a used one...probably be fairly close to $1500.

[tlen]

Cabela's currently has the Dan Wesson RZ10 on sale for $1200. They must have stockpiled them before they went out of production...
http://cabelasflyers.dirxion.com/89v...kCode=89v10flx

[DrtyHarry]

Originally Posted by Waffentomas

I'm curious, in the Deltas you fired, were they the original Deltas, circa 1981/2, or the new ones?

The two that I fired were fairly new, I'm not sure of the dates. I've read the older ones held up better.

Originally Posted by tlen

Cabela's currently has the Dan Wesson RZ10 on sale for $1200. They must have stockpiled them before they went out of production...
http://cabelasflyers.dirxion.com/89v...kCode=89v10flx

Now that is something to consider!! I may very well do that...want to find a few more pics though first. Thanks for letting me know!


DH

[Biggest Dawg]

Cabela's Reno has a new DW Sportsman. Improved over the Razorback in stock. Can't remember the price but can check. You could also call them and order it by phone for shipping to your FFL.
I own one and am really happy with it, as I am my Glock 20 and 29.
BD

[Retired Squid]

Originally Posted by Waffentomas

I'm curious, in the Deltas you fired, were they the original Deltas, circa 1981/2, or the new ones? or both? I have a DExxxxx I bought in 1982 and it's been very reliable.

Your dates for the 10 MM is a little off, first Colt DE was in '87, the new DE started in '09 just so you know.

Here's my '89 model that's a sweet shooter and would love to carry, but Glocks 20 at $525 is half the value and easy to replace, not an early Colt DE in like new shape.

[Fire_Medic]

Originally Posted by Retired Squid

Your dates for the 10 MM is a little off, first Colt DE was in '87, the new DE started in '09 just so you know.

Here's my '89 model that's a sweet shooter and would love to carry, but Glocks 20 at $525 is half the value and easy to replace, not an early Colt DE in like new shape.

That Colt DE looks great brother.

[Retired Squid]

Originally Posted by Fire_Medic

That Colt DE looks great brother.

Thanks it is a fun shooter, but not as accurate for me as my 20 or 29 for some reason. That said any one of the three is deadly in my hand well beyond 25 yards.

Should have of seen looks of some local city cops as I fired off a fast 15 from the G20 at the 25 yard range and all where the were needed. What was better then that was I found all 15 cases.

[Fire_Medic]

Originally Posted by Retired Squid

Thanks it is a fun shooter, but not as accurate for me as my 20 or 29 for some reason. That said any one of the three is deadly in my hand well beyond 25 yards.

Should have of seen looks of some local city cops as I fired off a fast 15 from the G20 at the 25 yard range and all where the were needed. What was better then that was I found all 15 cases.

I have me new to me G29 SF, with a 10MM CBOB en route, now I'm debating on whether to build a Custom G20 using a LW slide or a full size 1911 in 10MM.

This 10MM stuff gets addicting.

[J. Parker]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;15198900]I'm very interested in getting one. I've read that 1911s in 10mm can often be a little problematic, so I'm wondering if there is a specific make that has a proven 10mm track record. I have fired two Deltas and both had far too many FTFs for me to justify investing in one. So I scratched Colt of the list.

Dan Wesson no longer makes 10mm in the 2010 line up, and I heard they were good. I'm also considering Kimber, even though I'm not a huge fan of them. I have one, but they don't shoot like any of my customs do (Wilson, Brown). I'm looking for something in the $1500 range, and this will be a woods and target pistol. I'm not looking to make this my EDC.

Fusion Arms looks like they make fine 1911s. I just don't know how good they are in 10mm...and they make long-slide versions as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


1911 10mm? Why? I wouldn't go out in the woods with a 10mm 1911. IMO, the 1911 10mm pistol makes for a nice "range gun". You know what that means? I don't trust it to save my life. If you want a the best 10mm pistol on the market get the G20 period.

[Retired Squid]

[QUOTE=J. Parker;15216593]

Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

I'm very interested in getting one. I've read that 1911s in 10mm can often be a little problematic, so I'm wondering if there is a specific make that has a proven 10mm track record. I have fired two Deltas and both had far too many FTFs for me to justify investing in one. So I scratched Colt of the list.

Dan Wesson no longer makes 10mm in the 2010 line up, and I heard they were good. I'm also considering Kimber, even though I'm not a huge fan of them. I have one, but they don't shoot like any of my customs do (Wilson, Brown). I'm looking for something in the $1500 range, and this will be a woods and target pistol. I'm not looking to make this my EDC.

Fusion Arms looks like they make fine 1911s. I just don't know how good they are in 10mm...and they make long-slide versions as well.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!


1911 10mm? Why? I wouldn't go out in the woods with a 10mm 1911. IMO, the 1911 10mm pistol makes for a nice "range gun". You know what that means? I don't trust it to save my life. If you want a the best 10mm pistol on the market get the G20 period.

Actually all 1911's can be problematic due having been designed for ball ammo, with 2 piece feed ramps, and internal extractors that was later corrected by Mr. Browning on his famous Hi-Power. I think some custom 1911 barrel and gun makers have gone to one piece feed ramps, some external extractors. S&W's 1911's have external extractor for ejection reliablity, someone told me that DW 1911's were external extractor and one piece barrel and feed ramp but never checked to see.

In all the rounds through S&W 4506/1006 models with external extractor and one piece barrel feed ramp that was basically a double action 1911, these were probably the most reliable semi-auto DA hand gun ever made.

Ok I climb down now off soap box.

[J. Parker]

[QUOTE=Retired Squid;15216731]

Originally Posted by J. Parker

Actually all 1911's can be problematic due having been designed for ball ammo, with 2 piece feed ramps, and internal extractors that was later corrected by Mr. Browning on his famous Hi-Power. I think some custom 1911 barrel and gun makers have gone to one piece feed ramps, some external extractors. S&W's 1911's have external extractor for ejection reliablity, someone told me that DW 1911's were external extractor and one piece barrel and feed ramp but never checked to see.

In all the rounds through S&W 4506/1006 models with external extractor and one piece barrel feed ramp that was basically a double action 1911, these were probably the most reliable semi-auto DA hand gun ever made.

Ok I climb down now off soap box.

I wholeheartedly agree.......the only 10mm pistols I will own is either the fine S&W 10mm pistols or the Glock 20. If you want a 1911 stick to the 45acp calibre.

[DrtyHarry]

Originally Posted by J. Parker

1911 10mm? Why? I wouldn't go out in the woods with a 10mm 1911. IMO, the 1911 10mm pistol makes for a nice "range gun". You know what that means? I don't trust it to save my life. If you want a the best 10mm pistol on the market get the G20 period.

Um...yes, I'm very well aware of what a "range gun" is . And I all ready have a G20sf with a KKM barrel, adj. mepros, trigger job, 3.5# connector, and talon grips.

I have several 1911s chambered in .45ACP, I'd like to find a 1911 in 10mm because I get a better, longer, and a more accurate range with my 1911s compared to my Glocks. Also, I may decide to hunt with it and I will need a 6" barrel. Sure, I could toss one in my G20 and add a long slide as well...and I'm thinking about doing that.

Right now though, I'm going to have Fusion build me a 10mm long-slide as I've heard great things about them with the 10mm cartridge. Something like this...

Attachment 196305

Aint she a beauty??

[Fire_Medic]

Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

Um...yes, I'm very well aware of what a "range gun" is . And I all ready have a G20sf with a KKM barrel, adj. mepros, trigger job, 3.5# connector, and talon grips.

I have several 1911s chambered in .45ACP, I'd like to find a 1911 in 10mm because I get a better, longer, and a more accurate range with my 1911s compared to my Glocks. Also, I may decide to hunt with it and I will need a 6" barrel. Sure, I could toss one in my G20 and add a long slide as well...and I'm thinking about doing that.

Right now though, I'm going to have Fusion build me a 10mm long-slide as I've heard great things about them with the 10mm cartridge. Something like this...

Attachment 196305

Aint she a beauty??

That is nice, WOW. I've been eyeballing the fusions for some time in 10mm.

[Retired Squid]

[QUOTE=J. Parker;15216887]

Originally Posted by Retired Squid

I wholeheartedly agree.......the only 10mm pistols I will own is either the fine S&W 10mm pistols or the Glock 20. If you want a 1911 stick to the 45acp calibre.

Well I agree sort of, I feel fine carrying my 1911 10mm, but not like my Glock but my Glocks do have 1911 type safeties. Besides the 1911 DE it's too valuable as collector gun to carry and maybe have to turn into a crime lab.

The 1911 45ACP can be very finicky and unreliable with anything but ball unless very well tuned and even then if brand or type of bullet change it can be very lacking in reliability.

[J. Parker]

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;15216986]Um...yes, I'm very well aware of what a "range gun" is . And I all ready have a G20sf with a KKM barrel, adj. mepros, trigger job, 3.5# connector, and talon grips.

I have several 1911s chambered in .45ACP, I'd like to find a 1911 in 10mm because I get a better, longer, and a more accurate range with my 1911s compared to my Glocks. Also, I may decide to hunt with it and I will need a 6" barrel. Sure, I could toss one in my G20 and add a long slide as well...and I'm thinking about doing that.

Right now though, I'm going to have Fusion build me a 10mm long-slide as I've heard great things about them with the 10mm cartridge. Something like this...

Attachment 196305



Very nice........actually one of the nicest looking 1911's I've ever seen. Still, nice for lookin' but not for workin'.

[J. Parker]

[QUOTE=Retired Squid;15217056]

Originally Posted by J. Parker

Well I agree sort of, I feel fine carrying my 1911 10mm, but not like my Glock but my Glocks do have 1911 type safeties. Besides the 1911 DE it's too valuable as collector gun to carry and maybe have to turn into a crime lab.

The 1911 45ACP can be very finicky and unreliable with anything but ball unless very well tuned and even then if brand or type of bullet change it can be very lacking in reliability.

Cool, no problem......but if I'm in the deep woods there are only two 10mm pistols I trust....a S&W 10 mill or a Glock 10 mill.

[Retired Squid]

[QUOTE=J. Parker;15217385]

Originally Posted by Retired Squid

Cool, no problem......but if I'm in the deep woods there are only two 10mm pistols I trust....a S&W 10 mill or a Glock 10 mill.

As my signature says if I'm in the deep woods with Mountain Lion, bears, or T-Rex I want my 44 Magnum at a minimum for sure only because I don't have a 45-70 to carry.

I guess when weight is critical G20 or 29 is ok I guess as long as it's not brown bear or bigger area. Otherwise it's my Marlin 94P 44 mag and my Dan Wesson 44 Magnum for sure, nothing like 300gr hard cast lead to end any arguments.

[J. Parker]

[QUOTE=Retired Squid;15217485]

Originally Posted by J. Parker

As my signature says if I'm in the deep woods with Mountain Lion, bears, or T-Rex I want my 44 Magnum at a minium for sure only because I don't have a 45-70 to carry.

I guess when weight is critical G20 or 29 is ok I guess as long as it's not brown bear or bigger. Otherwise it's my Marlin 94P 44 mag and my Dan Wesson 44 Magnum for sure.

I would be fully confident with a Glock 10mm pistol in the lower 48 with the exception of maybe Montana.

[Retired Squid]

Not sure I would want to face a 400# Black bear or bore hog with my G in Georgia or Missouri. But you're right it does depend on where you are at for sure.

[Kegs]

Originally Posted by Retired Squid

but my Glocks do have 1911 type safeties.

What do you mean your "Glocks do have 1911 type safeties"? How is that?

[Kegs]

I make my living as a forester (state registered/graduate) guys - and have worked in some of the highest density bear habitat in the U.S., including Western Montana - and yes there are grizzlies there. My concern isn't the bears however. My concern is the hornets - and no firearm you're gonna use is effective against them.

The other concern would be humans, but most of the time they are more happy to see someone else vs. angry.

The black bears don't want anything to do with you and they'll smell you before you can usually see them. Grizzlies just keep digging the truck-sized holes looking for marmots or other small rodents to eat.

One of my colleagues has been attacked by feral dog packs. After that he bought and started carrying a 9mm.

I do take the opinion of retired squid - you can't have a handgun big enough, but you have to be practical on what you're carrying if you carry the thing through thick and thin, which is yet one more reason the G29 shines.