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Old 05-23-2010, 05:48   #26
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I realize the new Bren Tens will be more money, more than twice the EAA, but I suggest saving your money that you would of spent for the EAA Witness and wait on the Bren Ten which is suppose to be introduced next month. Hopefully the new Brens will be more than twice the pistol.
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Old 05-23-2010, 05:52   #27
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I had one of the older square slide 10mm's.

The 10 Ring

I never heard of any problems with these ones.


In the last few years they've been offering them with a new "streamlined" type slide that's rounded off.

As the pics from the AR15 thread show they took off quite a bit of metal.

The 10 Ring

The 10 Ring

It appears that this change has severly weakened the slides and caused cracking issues.


I had seriously been considering getting another one in the Wonder-Finish because I liked the look of the new contoured slide, until I heard of the cracking issues with them. Now I kinda wish I had kept the old square one.

Oh well I think I'm all done with EEA and the Witness pistols.
All my Witnesses have the older square type slides and they have not shown any signs of cracking. I do replace the recoil springs with 20lbs, use a recoil buff and don't shoot real hot loads through them. Look around for another older one.
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Old 05-23-2010, 21:19   #28
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I realize the new Bren Tens will be more money, more than twice the EAA, but I suggest saving your money that you would of spent for the EAA Witness and wait on the Bren Ten which is suppose to be introduced next month. Hopefully the new Brens will be more than twice the pistol.
Who's making it?
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Old 05-23-2010, 21:39   #29
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I can only comment on the Witness Elite Match in 10MM owned for a short time. Some had good luck with other Witness models but the Witness Elite Match had their share of problems. On mine the frame peened so badly it required a mallet to remove the slide. The peening as shown as circled.

At the time these guns were supposed to be ISO 9000 certified and out of the box they were tight and had great trigger pulls out the box. Accuracy was pretty good but chasing down expensive hard to find brass made the ownership experience worse and expensive over time.

You roll the dice on this one and hope you come up with a good one.

The 10 Ring
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Old 05-24-2010, 05:59   #30
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I can only comment on the Witness Elite Match in 10MM owned for a short time. Some had good luck with other Witness models but the Witness Elite Match had their share of problems. On mine the frame peened so badly it required a mallet to remove the slide. The peening as shown as circled.

At the time these guns were supposed to be ISO 9000 certified and out of the box they were tight and had great trigger pulls out the box. Accuracy was pretty good but chasing down expensive hard to find brass made the ownership experience worse and expensive over time.

You roll the dice on this one and hope you come up with a good one.

The 10 Ring
Been telling people for ever and a day that before you shoot your Witness take the recoil & FP springs and toss them in trash, because the spring quality is so poor and too light at best and sometimes no where near factory spec for some reason. Of the two guns I had, one tested to 14 lbs and other 16 lbs (10mm & 45ACP) and replaced with a 18# on 45ACP and 20# on the 10mm springs to start with and went to 22# spring on the 10mm later for shooting hot hand loads. Went from throwing brass 30 feet to about 6' and after almost 500 rounds the gun still appeared new internally. So if you buy one take care of the springs and you should be ok if no magazine problems. Those also need the springs looked at and replaced most likely, also the lips on some of mine needed tweaked and that I hate doing because it's easier to make things worse.
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Old 05-24-2010, 08:47   #31
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Who's making it?
http://vltor.wordpress.com/
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Who's making it?
Also check out this site: http://www.sportingproducts.com/ They are making it for Vltor. Seven days and counting until June when they are suppose to be available.
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I can only comment on the Witness Elite Match in 10MM owned for a short time. Some had good luck with other Witness models but the Witness Elite Match had their share of problems. On mine the frame peened so badly it required a mallet to remove the slide. The peening as shown as circled.

At the time these guns were supposed to be ISO 9000 certified and out of the box they were tight and had great trigger pulls out the box. Accuracy was pretty good but chasing down expensive hard to find brass made the ownership experience worse and expensive over time.

You roll the dice on this one and hope you come up with a good one.

The 10 Ring
I haven't tried this replacement rod, but Henning does have a good reputation and if the new Bren Tens don't come out I'm going to try this product to see if it protects the frame: http://www.henningshootsguns.com/pag..._guiderod.html
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