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Old 05-04-2010, 21:34   #1
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870 Police in stock at Bud's

$279 delivered. Saw it earlier, just thought I'd let people know.
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Old 05-04-2010, 22:12   #2
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DAMMIT. I already spent all my extra money on a Walther G22.

Bah humbug!

Thanks for sharing anyways.
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Old 05-04-2010, 22:40   #3
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ah that sucks! I just bought an express magnum! bah.
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Old 05-04-2010, 22:57   #4
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you got a link thanks
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Old 05-05-2010, 07:49   #5
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Just go to www.budsgunshop.com and when you get
the home page, scroll down to the weekly specials.
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Old 05-05-2010, 08:08   #6
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Oh, jeez, they're used. I'm sure they're fine guns, but at $279 for a new one I was about to use my Express on myself. I'm almost finished my 870 Express build for HD & have spent at least $120 on 'stuff' with more to come.
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Old 05-05-2010, 09:00   #7
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New M500s w/ PG and heat shield for the same price too...

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Old 05-05-2010, 13:14   #8
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That is almost the exact setup I build with an express reciever. Problem is I paid a lot more than that when it was said and done.

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http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id/411540028 I just got one.
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Old 05-05-2010, 16:14   #10
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Oh, jeez, they're used. I'm sure they're fine guns, but at $279 for a new one I was about to use my Express on myself. I'm almost finished my 870 Express build for HD & have spent at least $120 on 'stuff' with more to come.
Police models are $5-600 new, it's a big discount.
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Old 05-05-2010, 18:11   #11
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+ I would rather have police over the express any day...
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Old 05-05-2010, 18:56   #12
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Police magnums have very little to offer over a standard express model. They have a metal trigger guard and a few extra tough springs and pins that's it. Get yourself two express magnums for the same price as a new Police magnum and should you ever find some miraculous way to break one you have a spare.
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Old 05-05-2010, 19:12   #13
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Police magnums have very little to offer over a standard express model. They have a metal trigger guard and a few extra tough springs and pins that's it. Get yourself two express magnums for the same price as a new Police magnum and should you ever find some miraculous way to break one you have a spare.
Speedfeed stock, parkerized finish, I/C barrel.
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Old 05-06-2010, 00:02   #14
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Police magnums have very little to offer over a standard express model. They have a metal trigger guard and a few extra tough springs and pins that's it. Get yourself two express magnums for the same price as a new Police magnum and should you ever find some miraculous way to break one you have a spare.
Interesting opinion.

Here's what Remington says about the difference between the Express and Police guns:

REMINGTON ARMS COMPANY, LE DIVISION
Important differences between Remington 870 Police and 870 Express shotguns.

The 870 Express has been an important part of Remington’s offering to the sporting market.
It was designed to meet a price point in the commercial market while still providing classic 870 functionality.
All of Remington’s 870’s have interchangeable parts, even if they have cosmetic differences.
It is also important to note that many manufacturers use the 870 Express platform for their Police / Combat models.
Without exception, every manufacturer who utilizes our 870 platform serves to upgrade their system to a more efficient, street worthy platform.
While the 870 Express is still an 870, the best pump shotgun on the market, there are some very important cosmetic and functional differences between it and the 870 Police.
To our customers in Law Enforcement, Military, Corrections, and Security, whose lives depend upon the unfailing performance of Remington shotguns, the Police modifications are of paramount importance. Synopses of the variances are provided below.

• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.

• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.

• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.

• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.

• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.

• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.

• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.

• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.

• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.

• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.

• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.

• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.

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Old 05-06-2010, 02:06   #15
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I know this is going to come across as "justification that my gun is just as good"--because I see that a lot--but no, I'm just looking at what I've done to my Express, and what I plan to do. Mine was used when I received it as a gift, and while I'm sure I'd rather have the Police model which seems to have a lot more attention paid to it in the manufacturing process, I suppose my 870 Express will do OK by me. The items I've put in blue aren't anything I can get; in green, I'm doing myself, or at least could; and in red, I'm not concerned with.

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• 870 Police shotguns go thru a special 23 station check list – ranging from visual inspection, functional testing, test firing, and final inspection.
• All Police shotguns are assembled in a “special build area” at the plant in Ilion, NY. This section is secured and serves only to build LE and Military shotguns, with the same factory personnel working at that assignment each shift.
• All parts that enter the “special build area” are visually inspected by hand to ensure top quality and functionality.

• Due to heavy recoil in buck and slug loads, all 870 Police guns have a longer magazine spring which ensures positive feed and function.
I'm getting a Wolff spring along with my +3 mag tube extension that will come flush with my 18.5" barrel.
• A heavier sear spring is used to generate a reliable, positive trigger pull between 5 and 8 lbs.
Hmm... may have to look into it? Not enough playing with this one to make a judgement.
• A heavier carrier dog spring is used to ensure when the carrier elevates the shell, it will be held there until the bolt can push it into the chamber. This ensures positive feeding when using heavier payload rounds.
I understand the need for LE armament, possibly, but I won't do this.
• Police shotguns do not have an ISS (Integrated Safety System) which is a locking mechanism on the safety of commercial shotguns. This type of locking mechanism can cause delay to an officer who needs the weapon but does not have the appropriate key. LE shotguns have the standard, proven, cross bolt safety.
I would actually like to change out the safety on my Express.
• The fore-end on the Express model is longer and not compatible with many police shotgun vehicle racks.
I'm changing the stock & forend for Hogue stuff, eBay $50.
• The Police shotguns utilize the heavy duty SPEEDFEED Stocks and Fore-ends.
See above; I'm actually not that enamored by the Speedfeed stock...? Maybe I'll search on it & see how others feel.

• The Express model will not allow for the addition of an extension tube without physical modification to the tube and barrel, which can nullify the warranty.
Is that because of the ball detent? I've got two barrels, one parkerized 18.5", one gloss blue 20" Rem-Choke, and they both have the ball. The extension I've ordered is aftermarket and will work with the ball detent.

• The Express model has a BEAD BLAST BLUE finish while the Police models utilize either High Luster bluing or Parkerization.
Does bead blast blue resemble parkerized? My parkerized barrel is fairly close to the receiver finish on my Express.
• The Express model utilizes a synthetic trigger housing while the Police models use a compressed metal housing.
I may have to check that out! I can probably get by with my plastic trigger housing. I carry a plastic pistol, after all!
• The Police shotgun barrel is locked down with a “ball detent” system in conjunction with the magazine cap vs. a lesser grade “synthetic magazine spring retainer” lock down as used on the Express system.
Ohh. See above. I don't have Express barrels, I guess.
• The receivers used in Police guns are “vibra honed” to smooth out rough finishes and remove burrs before parkerization or bluing.
Cool. Too late for me, though!
• Police shotguns use machined ejectors and extractors, as opposed to powdered metal cast which are utilized on the Express models.
I suppose I could change these, but I'm sure I wouldn't know the difference.
All in all, I'm into my Express for $50 for stock & forend, $110 for 18.5" parkerized barrel, and $65 for mag tube + spring. $225 and counting...!! The Police models at Buds are starting to sound like a bargain!
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