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05-08-2010, 21:53
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US Govt prefers AK's to AR's- Truth
Yep, little known fact depending on how you interpret it. The US govt has funded more
money for purchases purchases of AK rifles
and obviously way greater quantity of them
then AR rifles. This is due to the fact that
we have armed so many 3rd world countries.
Most recently I'd guess acquisitions for the
Iraqi and Afgan armies.
I stumbled across this last year in reviewing
some congressional funding military bills.
Thank god really because in the quantities
of AKs that have been bought, if we had
bought ARs instead we taxpayers would
have spent many millions of dollars more
although the price of ARs might have come
down some. I believe what was mentioned
was a 3 to 1 ratio of cost per rifle differential.
The AKs in the particular acquisition was
just under $300 per unit.
The problem is all these monies were going
to off shore manufacturers of the AK rifles.
If only we had a domestic company who
could compete we could keep the money
and jobs here at home.
Last edited by preventec47; 05-08-2010 at 21:54..
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05-09-2010, 03:48
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The Ogre
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I think the going rate for an M4 is just shy of 600 for the government.
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05-09-2010, 07:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by preventec47
Yep, little known fact depending on how you interpret it. The US govt has funded more
money for purchases purchases of AK rifles
and obviously way greater quantity of them
then AR rifles.
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At two posts sir - I call INTERNET BS on you.
Show us some links to published government docs.
and I find that price a tad high...That's almost retail.
Last edited by Aceman; 05-09-2010 at 07:22..
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05-09-2010, 08:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by preventec47
Yep, little known fact depending on how you interpret it. The US govt has funded more
money for purchases purchases of AK rifles
and obviously way greater quantity of them
then AR rifles. This is due to the fact that
we have armed so many 3rd world countries.
Most recently I'd guess acquisitions for the
Iraqi and Afgan armies.
I stumbled across this last year in reviewing
some congressional funding military bills.
Thank god really because in the quantities
of AKs that have been bought, if we had
bought ARs instead we taxpayers would
have spent many millions of dollars more
although the price of ARs might have come
down some. I believe what was mentioned
was a 3 to 1 ratio of cost per rifle differential.
The AKs in the particular acquisition was
just under $300 per unit.
The problem is all these monies were going
to off shore manufacturers of the AK rifles.
If only we had a domestic company who
could compete we could keep the money
and jobs here at home.
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Normally I'd just say you're full of **** and should do some research before making claims, but today, I'll try to explain things for you....The reason the US .gov purchases AKs (and RPKs and RPGs, and RPDs) by the bushel is because that is the weapon we arm the vast majority of our allies with. The only ally I can think of that we regularly supply with M4s/M16s is the Philippines. The reason for going with the Eastern Bloc weapons is twofold. First, our allies are already familiar with the weapon system, and second, the supply lines are already in place for ammunition and spare parts.
The US .gov obviously prefers the M4/M16 as that is what has armed our miliary and LE forces since the late 60s.
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Last edited by deadday; 05-09-2010 at 09:02..
Reason: grammar
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05-09-2010, 09:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 93GT
I think the going rate for an M4 is just shy of 600 for the government.
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Last time I saw paperwork (2005), an M16A4 with accessories was $748 from FN/H to the US Army...
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05-09-2010, 09:04
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Random Mayhem
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadday
Normally I'd just say you're full of **** and should do some research before making claims, but today, I'll try to explain things for you....The reason the US .gov purchases AKs (and RPKs and RPGs, and RPDs) by the bushel is because that is the weapon we arm the vast majority of our allies with. The only ally I can think of that we regularly supply with M4s/M16s is the Philippines. The reason for going with the Eastern Bloc weapons is twofold. First, our allies are already familiar with the weapon system, and second, the supply lines are already in place for ammunition and spare parts.
The US .gov obviously prefers the M4/M16 as that is what has armed our miliary and LE forces since the late 60s.
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Good Post. DD
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05-09-2010, 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadday
Normally I'd just say you're full of **** and should do some research before making claims, but today, I'll try to explain things for you....The reason the US .gov purchases AKs (and RPKs and RPGs, and RPDs) by the bushel is because that is the weapon we arm the vast majority of our allies with. The only ally I can think of that we regularly supply with M4s/M16s is the Philippines. The reason for going with the Eastern Bloc weapons is twofold. First, our allies are already familiar with the weapon system, and second, the supply lines are already in place for ammunition and spare parts.
The US .gov obviously prefers the M4/M16 as that is what has armed our miliary and LE forces since the late 60s.
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We bought tons of AKs for the Afghans in the early 80s. Flew them into Pakistan, loaded them up on Donkeys and into Afghan they went. Those same trails are still carrying AKs in and probably will be for a long time. Those trails carried AKs to kill soviets, then to kill Afghans as groups fought for control after the Russians left, now the AKs are coming in to kill Americans, when we leave they might still be coming in. You would think there would be more AKs in that country then people by now.
At least now the ones we bring in can just be flown in to Kabul and distributed.
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05-09-2010, 15:21
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The Ogre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadday
Last time I saw paperwork (2005), an M16A4 with accessories was $748 from FN/H to the US Army...
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I went ahead and looked up some data on fedlog so I wasn't just throwing numbers out there. Apparently I need to have someone update my MAL at work. It seems prices have gone up since the last time someone did any price reconciliations.
M16A4, 1005-01-383-2872, 950.00 shipped to using unit as of 2009335
M4A1, 1005-01-382-0953, 1329.00 shipped as of 2009032
As for AK-47's 20 years ago, I can't imagine buying in bulk and paying over 150.00 a rifle. Of course I heard something about an agency buying a hammer for 1,100 dollars so who knows?
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05-09-2010, 15:33
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The Ogre
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There have been contracting officers chartering Jingle Trucks and buying trailers full of AK-47's and 7.62x39 at least since the current conflict in Afghanistan began, but not because Americans prefer Jingle Trucks or AK-47's over 7 tons and M16A4's. It's because a billion of other reasons such as ease of procurement, price, less maintenance required, etc...
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05-09-2010, 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadday
The only ally I can think of that we regularly supply with M4s/M16s is the Philippines.
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I thought we sent a fair number of M16s to Israel.
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05-09-2010, 20:26
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What else would we supply them with? lol...
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05-09-2010, 22:10
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They haven't bought me an AK yet. What line to I have to stand in?
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05-09-2010, 23:34
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Just listen for the Jingle Truck!
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05-10-2010, 11:04
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The Ogre
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I don't know Plastic, but if you figure it out, send me a PM.
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05-10-2010, 11:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by preventec47
US Govt prefers AK's to AR's- Truth
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Yeah,....and Obama is going to FIX THE WORLD!
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05-10-2010, 12:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Titurel
Just listen for the Jingle Truck!
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05-10-2010, 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Titurel
Just listen for the Jingle Truck!
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The ones around here just sell ice cream. 
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05-10-2010, 19:16
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Who would have thought I'd find such a funny post in this section
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05-11-2010, 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spiffums
I thought we sent a fair number of M16s to Israel.
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You can add the ANA and Iraqi Army to the list of recipients for M16's now as well.
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05-14-2010, 12:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticGuy
They haven't bought me an AK yet. What line to I have to stand in?
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Yeah, I want mine too!!
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05-14-2010, 13:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 93GT
I went ahead and looked up some data on fedlog so I wasn't just throwing numbers out there. Apparently I need to have someone update my MAL at work. It seems prices have gone up since the last time someone did any price reconciliations.
M16A4, 1005-01-383-2872, 950.00 shipped to using unit as of 2009335
M4A1, 1005-01-382-0953, 1329.00 shipped as of 2009032
As for AK-47's 20 years ago, I can't imagine buying in bulk and paying over 150.00 a rifle. Of course I heard something about an agency buying a hammer for 1,100 dollars so who knows?
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Betcha it is about $150.00 for bulk AKs! 
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I don't know Plastic, but if you figure it out, send me a PM.
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Sign me up on that list too! 
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05-14-2010, 13:11
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Well, if you are going to treat a rifle like crap, then an AK isn't a bad choice at all.
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05-14-2010, 13:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve1988
Well, if you are going to treat a rifle like crap, then an AK isn't a bad choice at all.
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Any modern military weapon can be treated like crap and still function flawlessly...
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There's one less tornado in Texas, a saddle is empty tonight...There's one hell of a cowboy in heaven, at the big rodeo in the sky. RIP LCpl Blake Wafford, Spc. Devon Gibbons, PFC Dean Bright, SSg Brian Craig. In the field we had a code of honor: you watch my back, I watch yours. Back here there's NOTHING.
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05-14-2010, 14:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadday
Any modern military weapon can be treated like crap and still function flawlessly...
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My experience has been different. My Colt 5.56 is a good rifle, but it does not like blowing sand.
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I'd be a better listener if you stopped talking about stupid crap that doesn't matter.
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05-14-2010, 14:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PlasticGuy
My experience has been different. My Colt 5.56 is a good rifle, but it does not like blowing sand.
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Mind gave me no problems...just keep your CLP really light and dust cover closed when applicable..I tortured a Colt M4 and an FN M16A4..
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There's one less tornado in Texas, a saddle is empty tonight...There's one hell of a cowboy in heaven, at the big rodeo in the sky. RIP LCpl Blake Wafford, Spc. Devon Gibbons, PFC Dean Bright, SSg Brian Craig. In the field we had a code of honor: you watch my back, I watch yours. Back here there's NOTHING.
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