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Old 06-17-2010, 16:53   #1
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Future bullets

How do you invision future bullet designs? material, shape, any other special features?
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Old 06-17-2010, 17:29   #2
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I don't know but it's an interesting concept. The problem is that there aren't many substances that have the density and pliability (ply-ability) as lead. Materials that are denser/heavier than lead are a whole lot harder. Copper is soft, but durable. I think there will be processes that better bond the copper and lead, and I think the properties might be altered some, but for the most part, the game will remain the same. All copper bullets seem to be catching on. The only thing I could imagine is maybe a mechaical framework inside the bullet to enhance it's durability while aiding in expansion.

Hopefully in the future people will see the light from the 10mm and the world will be a much brighter place, unless you get hit by one, then you're in a world of hurt. :D
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Old 06-17-2010, 18:16   #3
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All copper seems to be working very well, look how much things have changed in the last twenty years. It is hard to believe we have reached the pinnacle of bullet design.
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Old 06-17-2010, 18:38   #4
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How do you invision future bullet designs? material, shape, any other special features?
Perhaps sabotted, 'sub-caliber' (.22 in 9mm, .30 in .40/10mm, 9mm in .45ACP) bullets made of titanium at velocities in excess of Mach 2.

Lower density materials (like polymers, aluminum, tin, zinc or bronze) could also be employed in this concept which would produce reduced penetration characteristcs in that design.
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Old 06-17-2010, 19:22   #5
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Materials: The anti-lead movement will bring us more and more alternate materials. Copper is not bad. There are tin-cored jacketed bullets. There has been work done with zinc in the past and I look for it to show up more because it is cheaper.
Lower density means higher velocity, bullet construction, gun action balance, and advertising will have to take that into consideration.

Bismuth works in shotguns, maybe in bullets. Tungsten is very expensive and is part of the definition of an armor piercing handgun bullet, so not available.

Shape: Not much to work with here unless you propose a new caliber and guns made to run with it. Feeding in autos and other repeaters is dependent on bullet shape, so ammo for current models will look much the same.

Other: Lots of advertising.
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Where are those atomic bullets, lasers, blasters and disintegrators we were supposed to have in the future? I feel cheated, it was almost not worth it to grow up.
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Incendiary. For those really big bears.

I actually have an idea for an alternative to hollow points, similar to EFMJ, but it's really just a pipe dream at this point.
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Old 06-18-2010, 17:00   #8
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How about nuclear tipped, take out a grisly with a .22
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How about nuclear tipped, take out a grisly with a .22
Heh.

According to the equation for the complete conversion of mass into energy, E = mc<SUP>2</SUP>, a .22LR 40 gr. LRN bullet oughtta be good for a nuclear yield of 27.839 KT (about twice Hiroshima)

Sounds about right to me.
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Old 06-18-2010, 17:54   #10
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Old 06-18-2010, 18:07   #11
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Heh.

According to the equation for the complete conversion of mass into energy, E = mc<SUP>2</SUP>, a .22LR 40 gr. LRN bullet oughtta be good for a nuclear yield of 27.839 KT (about twice Hiroshima)

Sounds about right to me.

And all you need to do is accelerate that bullet to the speed of light.


200 pounds equals 1,400,000 gr.

1,400,000 divided by the bullet weight (40) is 35,000

C(speed of light) divided by 35,000 is about 8500 give or take



Quick math says that a 200 pound man shooting a handheld weapon would be flung backwards at about 8500 miles per second from the recoil....

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And all you need to do is accelerate that bullet to the speed of light.


200 pounds equals 1,400,000 gr.

1,400,000 divided by the bullet weight (40) is 35,000

C(speed of light) divided by 35,000 is about 8500 give or take



Quick math says that a 200 pound man shooting a handheld weapon would be flung backwards at about 8500 miles per second from the recoil....

"Watch it son, she kicks like gods mule!"

Yep. Pretty much.

Actually, to do this correctly you'll need to calculate the relativistic mass (MR) of the 40 gr. bullet (as objects approach 'Co' they "become" heavier) relative to our frame of reference according to the laws of special relativity.

Once you do that, the math is the same M1V1 = M2V2 relationship that we all have come to know and love.

Since nothing can actually travel at the speed of light (since its mass would actually become infinite) we can do this by using a velocity of 0.9999c (186,263.77 miles per second).

MR = Mo /[1-(u<SUP>2</SUP>/c<SUP>2</SUP>)]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ Mo

MR = 40 gr. /[1-(0.9999<SUP>2</SUP>/c<SUP>2</SUP>)]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ 40

MR = 40 gr. /[0.00019999]<SUP>1/2 </SUP>+ 40

MR = (40 gr. / 0.014141782) + 40
<SUP></SUP>
MR = 2868.497 gr. = 0.409785 pounds

such that our guy "recoils" at-

MBullet x VBullet / Mpoor sucker = Vpoor sucker

[0.409785 pounds x 0.9999c] 200 pounds = V

V = 0.00204872c

or about 2,015,060 fps ( which is ~381.64 miles per second)


Of course, this sucks for our guy holding the gun since he vaporizes immediately upon recoil from the intense heat generated by the atmospheric friction upon his body (assuming that he can hold onto the gun to begin with) if he isn't shattered/crushed first by the gun's fiercesome recoil impulse.

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Can you imagine a nucular nookilar atomic 10mm round?
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Now, that is funny!
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Old 06-18-2010, 20:17   #15
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laser cut with deep narrow hollowpoint, cut to unfurl like an umbrella, 'black talon on steroids' 60 grain pure copper,.25 caliber in a necked down 9mm. 2000 fps 6" barrel. Magnum pressures. 20 round mags.
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Old 06-22-2010, 04:48   #16
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how about H&K's programmable rounds that can explode at any given point in their travel? Those are pretty darn high tech.

I see more "green" bullet tech coming, and more expensive and hard to get ammo.
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laser cut with deep narrow hollowpoint, cut to unfurl like an umbrella, 'black talon on steroids' 60 grain pure copper,.25 caliber in a necked down 9mm. 2000 fps 6" barrel. Magnum pressures. 20 round mags.
Sounds like fun.

You forgot "poison-tipped".
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Old 06-22-2010, 15:44   #18
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I think it would look something like this...

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Man i would love to pocket carry a 50AE. The recoil will probably be like Will Smith's pocket gun in Men In Black
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