Why all the T-1's for sale? - Page 3

Seraph · 07-04-2010, 23:58

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

The ounces are negligible... and you usually see a bunch of other extraneous junk hanging off the rest of the rails too...

Yeah... I wasn't going to go there, though.

lawman800 · 07-05-2010, 00:42

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

No doubt ready to ride against the heathen savage with an unmatched sense of duty and patriotism... as soon as his country calls upon him... individually...

Don't forget, Uncle Sam needs every single mall ninja with his customized M4gery SEMI-AUTOMATIC carbine with all the tricked out doodads to go kick some ass because no enemy on this God's green Earth can withstand a select group of suburban commandos who cut their teeth on the Magpul Art of the Dynamic Carbine videos.

KalashniKEV · 07-05-2010, 08:38

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Originally Posted by lawman800

Don't forget, Uncle Sam needs every single mall ninja with his customized M4gery SEMI-AUTOMATIC carbine with all the tricked out doodads to go kick some ass because no enemy on this God's green Earth can withstand a select group of suburban commandos who cut their teeth on the Magpul Art of the Dynamic Carbine videos.

I noticed you capitalized "semi-automatic."

This is actually not really a big deal at all. I might be going back in the box in a few months with a regular semi SBR and I have no issues.

It's actually another backyard commando issue to froth and stroke limp over "Why can't I have free, unrestricted F/A..."

Most guys in a bad situation will actually pop off on semi before they flip the switch to burst anyway. This is also b/c of the burst/full issue, but outside of a last ditch capability, it's just a faster way to turn your basic load into noise, IMO. Suppression is more accurate and better delivered on semi too... when a rifle is all you have.

The point is clear, however that anti-social, middle aged, tubby-tubbies who envision themselves as "Macho Men" and constantly spout off about, "I'M READY, anytime they wanna send me... I'll go voluntarily... I'd be HAPPY to go..." are more than a tad bit pathetic.

And why are they spending $,$$$ on five carbine courses a year when a subscription to the gym costs $40/mo? A jump rope costs $10. The weather is beautiful and the streets of their home are free.

Hey, it's a free country, they can do what they want and say what they want...

I usually cut them off pretty quick with one question though:

"Walk the Walk, or Talk the Talk?"

I guess I'm the anti-social one...

Jer · 07-05-2010, 11:44

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Originally Posted by MADBMW

Well, this thread has offically gone full retard.

This. I'm out.

lawman800 · 07-05-2010, 13:55

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I noticed you capitalized "semi-automatic."

This is actually not really a big deal at all. I might be going back in the box in a few months with a regular semi SBR and I have no issues.

It's actually another backyard commando issue to froth and stroke limp over "Why can't I have free, unrestricted F/A..."

Most guys in a bad situation will actually pop off on semi before they flip the switch to burst anyway. This is also b/c of the burst/full issue, but outside of a last ditch capability, it's just a faster way to turn your basic load into noise, IMO. Suppression is more accurate and better delivered on semi too... when a rifle is all you have.

The point is clear, however that anti-social, middle aged, tubby-tubbies who envision themselves as "Macho Men" and constantly spout off about, "I'M READY, anytime they wanna send me... I'll go voluntarily... I'd be HAPPY to go..." are more than a tad bit pathetic.

And why are they spending $,$$$ on five carbine courses a year when a subscription to the gym costs $40/mo? A jump rope costs $10. The weather is beautiful and the streets of their home are free.

Hey, it's a free country, they can do what they want and say what they want...

I usually cut them off pretty quick with one question though:

"Walk the Walk, or Talk the Talk?"

I guess I'm the anti-social one...

I agree with you 100% on FA being a big waste of lead if you want to hit something. We are limited to SA carbines for good reason in LE and that is the way it should be.

There are times and places where burst or FA is a good thing though and the M-60 is a great weapon to have on your side in a firefight, even in my context.

My point, and I think you got it, is that these backyard commando mall ninjas dump thousands into their AR-15 or clone, trick it out beyond what most real soldiers would, and put tons of stuff that has no real use in civilian life like laser designators for air strikes. That one is the best, btw.

Then they go around talking about their M4 this and M4 that... and I am thinking... ummm... no... M4 is a military designation for their weapon which by definition and design specs, are select-fire. What they have is the civilian semi-automatic carbine that looks and functions like the M4 for the most part.

I guess I just laugh at these guys in the magazines along with their followers that get all done up and tote their semi-automatic carbines around like they are some para-military super elite recon special operations combat controller jumper pararescue sea air land green beret ranger delta operator.

OldArcher · 07-05-2010, 14:05

I have two Aimpoint Micro T-1s. They are superb for what they're intended. Whether atop a Remington Model 870 TAC Desert Recon II, an LMT AR15 upper, or a Ruger Super Redhawk, the Micro T-1 is a great red dot. I have an ML3 and two M4s, but they're often too big for the job's requirements. With these others, I can use my Aimpoint 3X multipliers, but not the T-1s- overkill...

For fast target acquisition, the Micro T-1 is great. Shotguns, rifles, pistols- all short range, and it exceeds expectations...

OA, out...

Alaskapopo · 07-06-2010, 01:59

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Jer,

Although the Aimpoint Micro is FAR more fragile than a full size combat optic, especially atop the skyscraper mount, I doubt people are breaking them or they're going bad. It's just the pimpy-ness has worn off.

Unless you have a requirement to get VERY close to the rail, i.e. co-witness or ergonomic reasons, the Micro is inferior to a full size optic... and ARs require the exact opposite.

It used to be the hawtness but now everyone's in a rush to sell them off to finance RMRs and such on their pistols... lol.

Who knows what will be next?

The Aimpoint Micros are as tough as any of the Aimpoint sights in my experience. They also offer a signification advantage of less weight and bulk compared to a full size red dot. Basically they give you full size red dot performance in a smaller package. I was skeptical at first but I have come to really like the Aimpoint Micro T1.
Pat

lawman800 · 07-06-2010, 02:22

Can't argue with this H-1 setup for the price, that's for sure... but I am still holding out for the Comp M3.

http://www.******tactical.com/aih1pade.html

KalashniKEV · 07-06-2010, 06:01

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

The Aimpoint Micros are as tough as any of the Aimpoint sights in my experience. They also offer a signification advantage of less weight and bulk compared to a full size red dot. Basically they give you full size red dot performance in a smaller package. I was skeptical at first but I have come to really like the Aimpoint Micro T1.
Pat

I'm disappointed in mine (that's mine above on the 10/22).

1) There isn't a "significant" reduction in bulk once you get it on the LaRue skyscraper. Perhaps I'm too used to the EOtechs, but "bulk" isn't even a word that applies to RDS, IMO.

2) It's not "full size performance." That's just not true. It's a lie that people tell themselves.

3) Did you edit out where you said they were as tough as a full size optic???

Good on you, you're an honest man! That's another one of the fanboyisms that gets repeated over and over again- and anyone who handles the thing can plainly see that it just isn't true. It's like Apple telling me the antenna on my new (second new) 4Gs is "the strongest antenna to date with the best performance."

I like to try out everything. I like to test the new stuff to see if it's better than the old stuff.

The T-1/H-1 isn't.

KalashniKEV · 07-06-2010, 06:12

Too much T-1 hate too early in the morning for me!

Here is an application where the T-1 actually shines, in a role that I believe it was designed for...
(close to the rail as possible compact optic, not my pic)

Tomac · 07-06-2010, 07:20

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Originally Posted by lawman800

Can't argue with this H-1 setup for the price, that's for sure... but I am still holding out for the Comp M3.
http://www.******tactical.com/aih1pade.html

Usually I'm leery of ****** unless I verify they have what I want in-stock before I order. I just received one of these H-1/mount setups for the wife's lightweight STG-556 build and for the price this package deal can't be beat (appx $445 shipped after the 15% "stimulus" discount code). The mount is surprisingly well-made and total weight of the H-1 w/mount is right at 6oz.
After sighting it in and playing w/it a bit at the range I'm selling my Eotechs and replacing them w/the same H-1/mount package (they shipped yesterday and will arrive on Thursday).
Tomac

Wife's STG w/the ****** H-1/mount package:

djegators · 07-06-2010, 07:23

I did that ****** deal too, but I wouldn't order form them without talking to a sales rep first. I bought the Larue mount separate, and it was still cheaper than most other places price just for the H1. I don't have a ton of time with it yet, but I am happy with the H1 so far.

KalashniKEV · 07-06-2010, 07:28

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Originally Posted by lawman800

Can't argue with this H-1 setup for the price, that's for sure... but I am still holding out for the Comp M3.

http://www.******tactical.com/aih1pade.html

****** burned me personally for return shipping on some vaporgoods two tours ago. Consequently it's cost them at least "thousands."

Then there's this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/wo...pagewanted=all

Alaskapopo · 07-06-2010, 14:41

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I'm disappointed in mine (that's mine above on the 10/22).

1) There isn't a "significant" reduction in bulk once you get it on the LaRue skyscraper. Perhaps I'm too used to the EOtechs, but "bulk" isn't even a word that applies to RDS, IMO.

2) It's not "full size performance." That's just not true. It's a lie that people tell themselves.

3) Did you edit out where you said they were as tough as a full size optic???

Good on you, you're an honest man! That's another one of the fanboyisms that gets repeated over and over again- and anyone who handles the thing can plainly see that it just isn't true. It's like Apple telling me the antenna on my new (second new) 4Gs is "the strongest antenna to date with the best performance."

I like to try out everything. I like to test the new stuff to see if it's better than the old stuff.

The T-1/H-1 isn't.

I am very happy with my T1. The only thing is it does not have is a larger window when compared to the older dots. But if you are shooting with both eyes open this is a moot point. It weights a 1/3 as much as a full size AImpoint or Eotech. That is a huge plus. Personally I will not be buying any full size red dots in the future. If I need a red dot the T1 will handle my needs.
Pat

crazymoose · 07-06-2010, 15:36

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I'm disappointed in mine (that's mine above on the 10/22).

1) There isn't a "significant" reduction in bulk once you get it on the LaRue skyscraper. Perhaps I'm too used to the EOtechs, but "bulk" isn't even a word that applies to RDS, IMO.

2) It's not "full size performance." That's just not true. It's a lie that people tell themselves.

3) Did you edit out where you said they were as tough as a full size optic???

Good on you, you're an honest man! That's another one of the fanboyisms that gets repeated over and over again- and anyone who handles the thing can plainly see that it just isn't true. It's like Apple telling me the antenna on my new (second new) 4Gs is "the strongest antenna to date with the best performance."

I like to try out everything. I like to test the new stuff to see if it's better than the old stuff.

The T-1/H-1 isn't.

I agree that it's a more specialized piece of gear. Is it as durable as the full size M4? Probably not, but then again that's true of every other optic on the market.

I only have one problem with the Micro Aimpoints: the fact that the smaller FOV slows down acquisition of the dot, particularly if you're firing from a weird position and don't have a good cheekweld.
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Alaskapopo · 07-06-2010, 16:48

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

Too much T-1 hate too early in the morning for me!

Here is an application where the T-1 actually shines, in a role that I believe it was designed for...
(close to the rail as possible compact optic, not my pic)

It also shines when used in an off set mount in conjunction with a more powerful optic.

KalashniKEV · 07-06-2010, 17:55

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

It also shines when used in an off set mount in conjunction with a more powerful optic.

I'm not really sure if I buy into "multi-optic" yet...

I could sort of understand it it was an SPR type rifle with a fixed 10x primary optic... but next to an ACOG?!

I strongly believe the "Binden Aiming Concept" would get you on target faster, plus the offset mounts look like they would lend themselves to a lot of banging and scraping.

I'm yet to see one in professional application.

lawman800 · 07-06-2010, 22:30

I have never had a problem with ****** once I started just driving down there instead of mail order. With the mail order process, I had some bad luck with the long wait but that was like 4 years ago. Never had a problem since and if you order from ******Defense, instead of ******Tactical, make sure you write a note to Dan in the special instructions and he'll take good care of you.

I wanted to get the H1/FT mount combo but like Kev said, I imagine it to be in the HK type of role where you have it tight and close and not on an AR where I want an EOTech or Trijicon. The only gun I have like that is the 10/22 and I don't feel like buying an optic that costs twice the gun.

Alaskapopo · 07-06-2010, 22:51

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

I'm not really sure if I buy into "multi-optic" yet...

I could sort of understand it it was an SPR type rifle with a fixed 10x primary optic... but next to an ACOG?!

I strongly believe the "Binden Aiming Concept" would get you on target faster, plus the offset mounts look like they would lend themselves to a lot of banging and scraping.

I'm yet to see one in professional application.

The Binden Aiming Concept is fine as long as you are not moving and shooting or having to scan for your targets. I have done a lot of drills using a lot of different optics and the TA33 is good but not quite as fast up close for me (inside 10 yards) The T1 is better up close it is also usable out to 200 yards. The T1 also is much easier to use in low light vs the ACOG. I used my ACOG and T1 last winter from twilight to darkness. It got very hard to see the reticle vs the T1's battery powered reticle. This combination (ACOG backed up by a T1) is getting quite popular with certain professionals. It started in three gun and then guys in the military started using it now cops. Its a viable system. As for the mount getitng banged and scraped. The problem is no more so than a flashlight in same position and lots of guys run lights at 3 or 9 oclock. I have not had an issue with it.

In my opinion the three viable systems for a carbine for general purpose use are as follows. (by general purposes I mean 0 to 500 yards)

1. Low power variable scope. (Short Dot, Swarovski Z6i, Meopta etc)
2. Fixed power ACOG with a mini red dot in an off set mount.
3. Aimpoint/ Eotech (much prefer Aimpoint) with a 3 or 4x magnifier in a flip mount.

I have experience with all of the above and so far the variable power scope is my favorite with the ACOG and T1 following closely behind.
Pat

mjkeat · 07-07-2010, 07:15

Scanning different sites I have noticed a few guys going with the offset non magnified dot optic. Though I have not seen one in use in a perfessional environment I have seen some "professionals" post layouts w/ said optic configuration. It might be for picture purposes only but...

KalashniKEV · 07-07-2010, 08:49

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

The Binden Aiming Concept is fine as long as you are not moving and shooting or having to scan for your targets.

That's exactly where I envision it as being faster...

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

The problem is no more so than a flashlight in same position and lots of guys run lights at 3 or 9 oclock.

I was actually thinking of Taclights when I mentioned it. I've seen a lot of smaller, lighter, cooler lights be put out from tipping over, hitting doors, etc. and the H-1 isn't as tough as them. There's a reason the Army issues that clunky SF951.

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

I have seen some "professionals" post layouts w/ said optic configuration. It might be for picture purposes only but...

There were some semi-pro types who posted under the crossed sabers recently with their suppressed SBRs. It was a relatively bad ass pic. Turns out the hi-res photo showed the SWR lettering a little too thick, and a little too white...

You guessed it- PLASTIC AIRSOFT.

Pack of wankstas barely left the IZ...

So yeah, "picture purposes only" and "DFAC pimpin' only" doesn't count...

mjkeat · 07-07-2010, 12:09

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

That's exactly where I envision it as being faster...

I was actually thinking of Taclights when I mentioned it. I've seen a lot of smaller, lighter, cooler lights be put out from tipping over, hitting doors, etc. and the H-1 isn't as tough as them. There's a reason the Army issues that clunky SF951.

There were some semi-pro types who posted under the crossed sabers recently with their suppressed SBRs. It was a relatively bad ass pic. Turns out the hi-res photo showed the SWR lettering a little too thick, and a little too white...

You guessed it- PLASTIC AIRSOFT.

Pack of wankstas barely left the IZ...

So yeah, "picture purposes only" and "DFAC pimpin' only" doesn't count...

Ive ran into one case of a guy getting called out because he was posting airsoft trying to pass it off as real. :lol: I mean why? Why would you take the time to do crap like that? Seems to me a waste of time. People are wierd.

KalashniKEV · 07-07-2010, 12:15

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

Ive ran into one case of a guy getting called out because he was posting airsoft trying to pass it off as real. :lol: I mean why? Why would you take the time to do crap like that? Seems to me a waste of time. People are wierd.

To clarify, the pics were real, the the weapons were too, but the suppressors were fake.

The reason?

DFAC PIMPIN'!!!

Alaskapopo · 07-07-2010, 12:19

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Originally Posted by KalashniKEV

That's exactly where I envision it as being faster...

In my tests it has not been faster for me or the other shooters I have tested. As for the toughness issue. The T1 and H1 are a lot tougher than you are giving them credit for. Have you ever seen one broken?
Pat

***Matthew Courtney*** · 07-20-2010, 17:15

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Originally Posted by Alaskapopo

In my tests it has not been faster for me or the other shooters I have tested. As for the toughness issue. The T1 and H1 are a lot tougher than you are giving them credit for. Have you ever seen one broken?
Pat

Pat,

Recently we switched over to LR-308's from AR-15's and we managed to tear up a few bushnell holosights pretty quickly. I was very disappointed with bushnell's customer service. They basically told us that we simply needed to switch back to .223. Have you had the opportunity to see if the Aimpoints hold up on lightweight .308's? We hope to find an optic that will provide reliable service on an 8 pound .308.