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Old 06-28-2010, 22:24   #1
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Aiming properly with standard sights

Noob question here. I have a generation 3 model 19 with original, unmodified sights. I am confused about the proper way to aim.

Below are 3 different pictures I made, with the pistol aimed at the red "bulls eye"... which one is correct? In picture #1, the sights are exactly under the bulls eye. In #2, the sights are halfway covering the bulls eye. In #3, the white dot on the front sight is covering the bulls eye.

I know the real answer to this question is "take your gun to the range and find out what works best for you." I am just trying to get a base proper technique to work with when I do go to the range.

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Old 06-28-2010, 22:40   #2
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If you want to make a nice group on a piece of paper I prefer method # 1. YMMV.
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Old 06-28-2010, 22:41   #3
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#2 is correct. #1 is the old bulls eye hold but you will be shooting low, at the bottom of the bull’s-eye, guns sighted to shoot that way are sighted to shoot high so you will hit the center of the bull. #3 is supposedly fast but imprecise, you cannot see the bull’s-eye.
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Old 06-28-2010, 22:46   #4
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#1 for bullseye shooting
#2 for real world shooting
#3 is wrong
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Old 06-28-2010, 22:53   #5
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Number three is correct for Glock style combat sights. That is standard combat aiming and exactly how the Glock sights are designed and what they are designed for. Your point of aim should cover your point of impact exactly as you have pictured. Number 1 is the reason why many new Glock shooters report the pistol is firing low and they think something is wrong with it.
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Old 06-28-2010, 22:55   #6
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Glad we cleared THAT up!
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Old 06-28-2010, 22:58   #7
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^LOL.

#2 for me.
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Old 06-28-2010, 23:03   #8
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I think I've been doing #2.
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Old 06-28-2010, 23:10   #9
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Wait until you are my age - you won't be able to tell the difference after you have focused your eyes on the front sight.
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Old 06-28-2010, 23:27   #10
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#2 for me and mine
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:02   #11
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Old 06-29-2010, 02:50   #12
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#3 is how you're supposed to shoot ANY Glock. The Glock weapon system will shoot reliably and consistently every time when you are using target acquisition method #3.

By covering the point of impact with your Glock barrel end sight and lining up the rear sight system 'U' to be even at the top of the 'U' with the forend barrel dot (illustration #3); your target acquisition is perfectly executed as it was intended to be done with the Glock weapon system.

I can't tell you how many times there has been that I've heard a new Glock owner proclaim their inability to hit their target with their new Glock. And sadly enough, they go on to assume that because of their lack or inability to 'hit anything' with it, that the weapon system is naturally by deduction a "pos".

Obviously, all of us Glock enthusiast out there know this is the furthest thing from the truth. It's just a matter of getting used to or familiar with a different manner of doing things then what some folks are accustomed to. Sometimes you've just gotta let folks use whatever method they are most comfortable and reliable with when you're practicing at the range and polishing up on your target acquisitions.
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Talk about confuuuuussssssing!!!!!!! I think that a laser would be the thing to have on this one???
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It does not matter. What is important is that you index your sights against the target, stick with that index, and do not disturb the sight picture thru trigger press all the way until the bullet leaves the barrel.

Below, a recent target I shot with a G26 - a 1" group, two hands on the gun, otherwise unsupported (do feet count?), shooting generic Remington UMC (250 round pack) of FMJ at an indoor range.

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and the size of those price stickers, compared to a penny and a quarter for contrast...
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It does not matter. What is important is that you index your sights against the target, stick with that index, and do not disturb the sight picture thru trigger press all the way until the bullet leaves the barrel.
Great shooting Drew, but I'll have to disagree with you to an extent.
#2 and #3, yes, but NOT #1.

#1 is the BULLSEYE "6 o'clock hold". It REQUIRES that you "index" with the bullesye being the same exact size and the same exact distance from you always to work. Example, if the "target" is 8 inch circle at 25 yards and you dial your gun in to hit the center of the circle.... it will not work if the circle is at 7 yards. Period.

OP... #2 is what you really should be using. Don't "hide" the target with the sights.
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Old 06-29-2010, 07:08   #16
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I am grateful for the replies so far. Apparently this question was worth asking after all, as it has generated an interesting discussion.
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My mistake - I read 19-3 (a S&W revolver) rather than Gen. 3 model 19.
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Great shooting Drew, but I'll have to disagree with you to an extent.
#2 and #3, yes, but NOT #1.

#1 is the BULLSEYE "6 o'clock hold". It REQUIRES that you "index" with the bullesye being the same exact size and the same exact distance from you always to work. Example, if the "target" is 8 inch circle at 25 yards and you dial your gun in to hit the center of the circle.... it will not work if the circle is at 7 yards. Period.
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Thank you kind sir. , hope it's not too hot in NC, like the near 100 *F it hit in NY yesterday.

As for your claim, I too will have to respectfully disagree.

Here (below) is the ballistic data for a Speer Lawman 147gr 9mm bullet.

For a zero at 25 yards, the drop at twice that distance is 1.5".

For a 115gr bullet, that drop is .8"

It has not been my experience, that shooting with the bullseye 6 o'clock hold impacts precision much, under 25 or even 50 yards (max I have shot with a pistol).

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Speer data: 147GR 9mm Lawman bullet

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics...x?loadNo=53620


and for 9mm
http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics...x?loadNo=53615
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That's the reason I like adjustable sights. I prefer to see the target. Example 1 or 2. When reloading it's possible to develop the right load to hit at point of aim. I shoot USPSA competitions where the targets are for the most part 25 yards and less, sometimes a 50 yarder is used. I'm past the age where it's difficult to focus on the front sight so I rely on my point and shoot instincts. I'm a lousy shot with factory loads or haven't found the right one. I reload for all my handguns.
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