Concealed-carry law fails in Illinois House

Gpruitt54 · 04-20-2013, 08:52

Concealed-carry law fails in Illinois House
I should have known this would happen. Illinois sucks, and I live here.

After an hour long debate in the Illinois House, a measure backed by the National Rifle Association that would have allowed certain, qualified Illinoisans to carry loaded weapons in public fell seven votes short of passage.

http://herald-review.com/news/local/...a4bcf887a.html

Jakestir · 04-20-2013, 08:53

Constitutional carry here we come

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Gpruitt54 · 04-20-2013, 09:07

I've heard many people getting all giddy over the idea of ConstitutionalCarry. Remember, we are talking about Illinois, and Constitutional Carry willnever happen... Not here.

The split among the politicians will end with a pretty stupid bill thatmakes both sides happy (kind of). Something like what is currently proposed.Something like individual cities being able to allow or disallow CCW in theircity or county. Something like Cook County with no CCW and everyone else havingCCW.

Something like that means that in Illinois, your 2nd amendment rights aredetermined by your zipcode.

Jakestir · 04-20-2013, 09:18

Oh ya its going to be a mess over the next couple months

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Python-Hunter · 04-20-2013, 09:31

When has the Illinois Legislature ever done anything for the benefit of the people?
They ALL NEED to be VOTED OUT!

glock_collector · 04-20-2013, 11:17

Crime should go down now in chi-town...

nursetim · 04-20-2013, 11:41

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Originally Posted by Gpruitt54

I've heard many people getting all giddy over the idea of ConstitutionalCarry. Remember, we are talking about Illinois, and Constitutional anything willnever happen... Not here.

The split among the politicians will end with a pretty stupid bill thatmakes both sides happy (kind of). Something like what is currently proposed.Something like individual cities being able to allow or disallow CCW in theircity or county. Something like Cook County with no CCW and everyone else havingCCW.

Something like that means that in Illinois, your 2nd amendment rights aredetermined by your zipcode.

There fixed it for you.

SCmasterblaster · 04-21-2013, 17:10

I'd move to IN.

05shadow · 04-21-2013, 20:47

I live in IL and cant wait to be able to CC. Thank GOD I DONT live in cook county or as we call it around here crook county

Wishoot · 04-22-2013, 06:49

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Originally Posted by Python-Hunter

When has the Illinois Legislature ever done anything for the benefit of the people?
They ALL NEED to be VOTED OUT!

Sadly, this comment is dead-on. Only crooked, Northern Illinois politicians have a voice.

Too bad they can't figure out a way to remove Cook County from the rest of the state.

Fulnix · 04-22-2013, 18:39

Just one of the many reasons I'm moving back to WI. I've been here since 2004 and things have only slid farther down hill in all aspects. Chicago was a great time but I'm ready to let it wither and die. IMHO it's just behind New York, at least at the moment I can still get a big gulp.

porschedog · 04-22-2013, 18:47

I'm sure the mayor has armed guards, but the common folk doesn't deserve to be able to protect themselves

unit1069 · 04-22-2013, 22:10

Isn't Illinois under federal court order to pass a CCW law before a certain deadline, to conform with the US Constitution?

If a law isn't passed by the IL legislature and signed into law won't CCW automatically become valid in the state?

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Illinois is the only state in the nation that continues to prohibit public weapons possession. But a federal appeals court ruled the ban unconstitutional in December and ordered lawmakers to enact a law allowing it. Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, the concealed carry legislation sponsor, said if the Legislature misses the deadline, "constitutional carry" — allowing possession of any weapon without a permit — would take effect. http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/i...a35455aa2.html

Jakestir · 04-22-2013, 23:02

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Originally Posted by unit1069

Isn't Illinois under federal court order to pass a CCW law before a certain deadline, to conform with the US Constitution?

If a law isn't passed by the IL legislature and signed into law won't CCW automatically become valid in the state?

Jun 9 is the deadline. If nothing is done then constitutional carry will be in affect. The only problem is some jack wagon in cook county said they will ignore the court order.

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vafish · 04-23-2013, 05:15

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Originally Posted by Jakestir

Jun 9 is the deadline. If nothing is done then constitutional carry will be in affect. The only problem is some jack wagon in cook county said they will ignore the court order.

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That should make for a great lawsuit.

posted from my stupid smart phone, please excuse any spelling mistakes.

Python-Hunter · 04-23-2013, 09:34

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Originally Posted by unit1069

If a law isn't passed by the IL legislature and signed into law won't CCW automatically become valid in the state?

My understanding is that "Open Carry" will become valid!

Jakestir · 04-23-2013, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Python-Hunter

My understanding is that "Open Carry" will become valid!

As far as I know all forms of carry will be allowed. However every county and city could have there own laws regulating it. Could be a huge mess.

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Gunnut 45/454 · 04-23-2013, 09:58

Jakestir
As long as they conform with "Constitutional carry" otherwise they'd be in violation of the Federal courts! Meaning they could not blanket restrict carry either open nor concealed in public!

Jakestir · 04-23-2013, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454

Jakestir
As long as they conform with "Constitutional carry" otherwise they'd be in violation of the Federal courts! Meaning they could not blanket restrict carry either open nor concealed in public!

True but in county A it could be ok to carry a gun where alcohol is served but in county B it would be illegal. Just an example of the confusion that could arise.

Also the one of the dumb dumbs in charge in chicago claim they will ignore the court ruling. Things are going to get interesting.

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vinstang67 · 04-23-2013, 12:33

Some reading.....:
http://ivn.us/icon/2013/04/14/little...arry-deadline/

If they go with "may issue," I do not expext them issuing much if any.

I also wonder about reciprocity.

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nursetim · 04-23-2013, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by unit1069

Isn't Illinois under federal court order to pass a CCW law before a certain deadline, to conform with the US Constitution?

If a law isn't passed by the IL legislature and signed into law won't CCW automatically become valid in the state?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jakestir

Jun 9 is the deadline. If nothing is done then constitutional carry will be in affect. The only problem is some jack wagon in cook county said they will ignore the court order.

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I don't think we can have it both ways. We have a few sheriffs declaring they will not enforce federal laws, if passed, and we cheer for freedom and states rights. When a state says the same thing, but on the other side of the fence, we get all butthurt about it.

I would love to be able to carry where ever I went. But states should be allowed to set their rules without federal interference. I'm for the people of the state getting fed up with the shenanigans of their politicians and voting them out in favor of those that support freedom. I am not for the feds strong arming a state to do something.

Montblanc · 04-23-2013, 14:53

no carry will be legal June 9th and anyone caught doing so will be arrested. Laws will still be on the books saying carrying a concealed gun or knife over 3 inches will be considered ILLEGAL.

Lots of idiots will be arrested for sure and then we might see a bill passed after they have exhausted their personal wealth doing so in court. Oh and they will never be able to carry because they will be technically criminals!

Lockback · 04-23-2013, 15:30

I genuinely feel sorry for the residents of Illinois.
Not that many years ago, Ohio was looking like a cheap imitation of Illinois: liberal, high crime, high taxes, no chance whatsoever of ever getting a concealed carry law passed. Even the Republican governor was anti-gun and the bill finally passed over his veto after a long, long legislative battle. And lo and behold, then even his successor, a Democrat, was pro-gun and his GOP successor is also nominally pro-gun. And many of my friends and coworkers have their CCW licenses now, thanks to a lot of work by a lot of very committed people.
My point being that maybe, just maybe, the citizens of Illinois will be freed someday from the shackles of idiocy that grasp the whole state, tentacles that emanate from liberal fascist fat cats in Chicago.

oldman11 · 04-23-2013, 15:41

Chicago is still ruled by gangsters and criminals.

Jakestir · 04-23-2013, 15:59

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Originally Posted by oldman11

Chicago is still ruled by gangsters and criminals.

That's a low blow to gangsters. At least the mob had class. Haha

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