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Old 02-18-2011, 21:13   #61
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Attn: KY,OH,TN. Escorted out of Joseph Beth Bookstore because I was open ca

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Old 02-18-2011, 21:30   #62
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I went to Joseph Beth Booksellers in Lexington Ky. (Davis Kidd in TN) with my wife tonight. We have been going there for years and my wife worked there for 3 years as a manager.
I've gone there countless times open carrying, with no incident, and I've made it a point to look for any "no concealed weapons" signs. So, I went there tonight carrying concealed as I have my CCDW, and after I took my light jacket off I was open carrying. KY is a pre-emptive open carry state, meaning no local government can override the open carry law. The only caveat is that private property owners can specify they don't want concealed carry on their premises, as all you guys are probably aware. They had no sign posted on their front door, which we entered. There we are in the back of the store reading magazines on a couch, when 6 uniformed officers surround me and tell me to stand. An officer takes my side-arm. They ask for my permit, and I say that I am not breaking any laws. I am a Police Studies major at E.K.U. and know for a fact that they have to have a sign posted by law. They escort me out and secure my side-arm in my truck. One officer said, "This is Lexington, you need to keep it concealed". The security at J.B.B. called the police after an anti-gun person told them I was carrying. I asked the officer where the sign was posted, and he said on another door. I know that KRS says the sign should be clearly and visible posted, and they sure do not have that covered. Also, they could have just asked me to leave. I was very cooperative and the officers were for the most part cordial, but they pretty much said, "give up your right to open carry cause of the anti-gun people." Please Boycott JOSEPH BETH BOOKSELLERS; they are anti-gun. Even their security said, "I have a CCDWL and they won't let me carry here either" Come on, these people need to get a clue.
sounds like it went ok, but could have gone better.

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Old 02-19-2011, 08:10   #63
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The following places of business come to mind for just this past week where I have open carried. Several of them saw me more than once during the week.

o McDonald's
o A bank.
o Sears
o A seafood restaurant
o Barnes and Noble
o Border's Books
o Costco
o Local Grocery store
o Gas station
o Touchless car wash in another gas station (had to get out of car so gun was seen)
o Glory Days restaurant
o Several shoe stores
o Kohl's
o Old Navy
o Staples


There are more, but these are the ones that came to mind quickly. As for the bank, I carried concealed in there but the lower portion of the holster and the front of the slide was visible. The reason is that they do have a posted sign (for revolvers which was pointed out to me by an employee), but they have been bought by another bank which recognizes Virginia's laws. This bank does not yet have the new bank's signage up yet so I suspect the no-revolver sign will disappear when that happens. I have asked several times if they are operating under the policies and procedures of their new owner and they have informed me that they are so in reality, that no-revolver sign is meaningless. Otherwise, I would not carry in there.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:32   #64
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My wife and I, along with my son (JCA1776) and his wife, and my unmarried son (Mk2ja) stopped at KFC in Auburn, IN off I-69, last night about 18:30. Mk2ja was OCing, JCA1776 and I were CCing. Our wives ordered first, then the guys; I joked with the cashier, who appeared to be a high-school age girl, and paid the bill. We served ourselves from the buffet and sat down at a corner table. I hung my coat on my chair before I sat down, revealing my weapon.

Shortly after saying grace, a young man walked up to me and said (verbatim as best as I can recall):

"Do you always carry guns into a family restaurant? You scared the crap out of my kids! Thanks a lot!"

He then turned and walked quickly away. Mk2ja called to him, "Have a good evening," but the rest of us made no reply. I had a mouthful of chicken, but I had no opportunity to reply anyway. The guy left too quickly.

At no point were were rowdy, noisy or threatening in any way. We just ordered, talked amongst ourselves, joked with the staff and picked up our food.

First of all, KFC made no indication of concern or displeasure about our weapons. The staff just took our order, gave us our cups for the drinks and went about their own business.

Second, I never saw the children. I vaguely remember seeing the man seated near the drinks bar on the other side of the shop from where we sat. I have no idea of how our weapons affected them.

From one perspective, the fault lies with the father. All he had to do was explain to his children that weapons are nothing to fear. They are useful tools for self-protection that must be handled wisely and properly; but in the hands of law-abiding and peaceful citizens, they ensure our liberty and safety.

From another perspective, OC frightens children and those unused to seeing weapons in public. Therefore, OC should not be practiced in family situations.

This leads to some questions as part of an AAR:
1. Should responsible citizens opt for CC to avoid frightening the children?
2. Does the father have a valid complaint?
3. Should we have followed the father into the parking lot and opened a can of "whup a**" on him? (OK, just kidding! It was a joke!)

What do you think?
None of the above - I think you handled it most appropriately!

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Old 04-15-2011, 12:31   #65
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I open carry pretty often around South Bend/Mishawaka Indiana. Nobody cares.

Around Christmas, my brother came to visit, so we went to South Bend Chocolate Cafe for a coffee one night. We had to park a block away, and as we were walking toward the place (our coats covering our handguns) a SBPD car whips around and parks on the street, almost right beside us. THe officer gets out and crosses to the other side (away from us) in plain clothes and proceeds ahead of us (we were surprised at the way he parked, but it turned out he didn't care about us at all). Anyway, we ended up following him into the coffee shop at about 50 yds back. He was meeting his girlfriend there. We both turned on voice recorders as we normally do while open carrying, and as soon as we got inside we took off our coats because they had a couple fireplaces going and it was about 80 degrees. This caused us both to be open carrying (I, an N-frame S&W snubby, and he an XD9SC). We got in line sort of beside the police officer who kind of turned toward us, looked us both over for about 10 seconds, and proceeded to ignore us. It was pretty cool to have a police officer act in such a reasonable manner toward us because of all the horror stories that are made up about what will happen if anybody open carries.

we hung out there for about 2 hours, no more cops showed up or anything.

some good places to read about open carrying: opencarry.org (go to the indiana page) and ingunowners.com. They have a running thread "where did you open carry today?" that's been going for a couple years.

We talk about it on www.hoosiergunclub.com as well.
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Old 04-15-2011, 13:06   #66
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I open carry pretty often around South Bend/Mishawaka Indiana. Nobody cares.

Around Christmas, my brother came to visit, so we went to South Bend Chocolate Cafe for a coffee one night. We had to park a block away, and as we were walking toward the place (our coats covering our handguns) a SBPD car whips around and parks on the street, almost right beside us. THe officer gets out and crosses to the other side (away from us) in plain clothes and proceeds ahead of us (we were surprised at the way he parked, but it turned out he didn't care about us at all). Anyway, we ended up following him into the coffee shop at about 50 yds back. He was meeting his girlfriend there. We both turned on voice recorders as we normally do while open carrying, and as soon as we got inside we took off our coats because they had a couple fireplaces going and it was about 80 degrees. This caused us both to be open carrying (I, an N-frame S&W snubby, and he an XD9SC). We got in line sort of beside the police officer who kind of turned toward us, looked us both over for about 10 seconds, and proceeded to ignore us. It was pretty cool to have a police officer act in such a reasonable manner toward us because of all the horror stories that are made up about what will happen if anybody open carries.

we hung out there for about 2 hours, no more cops showed up or anything.

some good places to read about open carrying: opencarry.org (go to the indiana page) and ingunowners.com. They have a running thread "where did you open carry today?" that's been going for a couple years.

We talk about it on www.hoosiergunclub.com as well.
I'm all for open carry and do on occasion, but usually CC. But why the voice recorders? Were you hoping he would say something to you?..
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Old 04-16-2011, 14:44   #67
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I'm all for open carry and do on occasion, but usually CC. But why the voice recorders? Were you hoping he would say something to you?..
Do you carry a gun hoping someone will attack you?

I know you don't, but the question sounds the same to me. I don't intend my response to sound rude and I hope you will take it in the spirit it was written.

I keep a voice recorder with me any time I'm in the car, in case I get pulled over so that I have a record of what the officer says. (I drive carefully and haven't been pulled over in 7 years, but you never know.) When I go anywhere open carrying I normally turn on the voice recorder, say the time, date, and address of where I am, then go about my business. If I had a video recording pen (they're available for sale on tigerdirect.com) I'd use that instead.

Anyway, I have a couple reasons for recording. One, in case I have a conversation about firearms. So I can remember everything that was said, analyze my responses, and improve for next time. sadly, I haven't gotten the opportunity to do this, because all the conversations I have had happened when I was without my recorder.
One reason is because of police. I have heard of police being very rude to people for no other reason than the individual was carrying a firearm.
The third reason is for protection against someone who might call the police and say, "there is a man with a gun in Lowe's and he verbally threatened me." or some such nonsense. I can produce an audio recording with the time and date that it never happened. Yeah, I know that's a long shot, but I still like to have it.
There are some recent audio recordings on youtube that make the case for having an audio recorder going. Perhaps you heard the one from Philly. There are some from a michigan open carry group as well.

the last reason is for the "open carry naysayers" who have said things like "you can't carry in a grocery store, they will throw you out." or "you will be targeted by bad guys" or "you will scare kids and they'll run away screaming." A good response to those is to say, "here, listen to this. I went shopping for 20 minutes in target yesterday and here's how it went." It's really boring to listen to, because nothing ever happens.
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I'm all for open carry and do on occasion, but usually CC. But why the voice recorders? Were you hoping he would say something to you?..
His own protection in the event he encounters a rouge or rookie LEO who either doesn't know the law or think he IS the law.
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Old 04-16-2011, 15:05   #69
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Do you carry a gun hoping someone will attack you?

I know you don't, but the question sounds the same to me. I don't intend my response to sound rude and I hope you will take it in the spirit it was written.

I keep a voice recorder with me any time I'm in the car, in case I get pulled over so that I have a record of what the officer says. (I drive carefully and haven't been pulled over in 7 years, but you never know.) When I go anywhere open carrying I normally turn on the voice recorder, say the time, date, and address of where I am, then go about my business. If I had a video recording pen (they're available for sale on tigerdirect.com) I'd use that instead.

Anyway, I have a couple reasons for recording. One, in case I have a conversation about firearms. So I can remember everything that was said, analyze my responses, and improve for next time. sadly, I haven't gotten the opportunity to do this, because all the conversations I have had happened when I was without my recorder.
One reason is because of police. I have heard of police being very rude to people for no other reason than the individual was carrying a firearm.
The third reason is for protection against someone who might call the police and say, "there is a man with a gun in Lowe's and he verbally threatened me." or some such nonsense. I can produce an audio recording with the time and date that it never happened. Yeah, I know that's a long shot, but I still like to have it.
There are some recent audio recordings on youtube that make the case for having an audio recorder going. Perhaps you heard the one from Philly. There are some from a michigan open carry group as well.

the last reason is for the "open carry naysayers" who have said things like "you can't carry in a grocery store, they will throw you out." or "you will be targeted by bad guys" or "you will scare kids and they'll run away screaming." A good response to those is to say, "here, listen to this. I went shopping for 20 minutes in target yesterday and here's how it went." It's really boring to listen to, because nothing ever happens.
I wouldn't fret over what others on this or any other website might tell you about OC'ing. Sounds like you have your ducks in a row.
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This morning I CC'd into my local bank. Although Wachovia has been bought by Wells Fargo and is operating pretty much entirely under their rule, policies, and procedures, I will CC until the Wells Fargo sign goes up at which time I'll do what I deem in my best interest for whatever reason I may see. I should mention that before Wachovia was operating under the policies of Wells Fargo, I did not carry into my branch. Even though I mentioned something about their little "sign" on one of the doors to a teller with whom I was familiar. He just kinda smirked and said, "You'll notice that the sign has the silhouette of a revolver. So carry a semi-auto when you come in". I would ask frequently when they were going to be operating under Wells Fargo guidelines and when I received an affirmative answer to this, I started CC'ing. Just for those who might scream, "There was a no-guns sign you idiot".

Today, there was a parade in our little town during the morning and I wasn't aware of this. So on my second trip out, I pulled off to a side, got out of my car and went up to one of our local LEO's in his car to ask what was going one. Yes, my little friend was fully visible on my strong side. He said nothing about it as we discussed the goings on. But this IS Virginia and negative encounters with law enforcement while OC'ing are pretty rare.
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Last weekend was the first time I open carried my firearm. I had my Kahr PM9 in an OWB holster at 4 o'clock with my shirt tucked in on the way to the range. Stopped at a Sheetz to grab a cup of coffee and made the on spot decision to not put my jacket on to enter the store as it was a gorgeous morning. I was wearing a black t-shirt, jeans, and black ball cap with the letters "AFK" on it.

I was parked right in front, you know in the spots marked "cars only, no trucks", of the store. Got out walked into the store and as I entered the store my heart started pounding... "WTF?", I started thinking, "What the hell is wrong with me?" I did a quick scan of the store... and noticed it was pretty busy in there. I tried to actually register how many people, where they were, what they looked like, etc. but my nerves were getting more shot by the second as I walked in and went to the coffee counter.

I grabbed a cup and started looking at the little creamer cups trying to find a hazelnut one in among the Irish cream and others... while I did this I noticed a kind of scruffy looking guy move around the coffee counter to the other side while staring at me... He had obviously registered the gun as his eyes were wide.

Couldn't find a damn hazelnut creamer so said ok just half and half... I almost had tunnel vision by now and I was still trying to calm myself down and the guy staring at me wasn't helping. Put cream in the cup and reached for the coffee pot... and knocked the damn "this one is brewing sign" to the floor. Bent down to pick it up and put it back on the counter... grabbed the coffee pot (it was actually done brewing thankfully), filled the cup, and stuck a lid on it. The guy staring at me did a complete loop around the counter and got in line for the register while I was doing all this.

Turned around and there was still a line at the register... the guy that had been staring at me was just finishing and started walking toward the door. He wasn't staring any longer but kept glancing at me like to check where I was. Paid for the coffee quickly (clerk didn't bat an eye at me but there was no way he couldn't have seen the gun while I was standing at the coffee counter 10 feet away with my back to him) and headed for the door. Staring guy was standing there with the door open waiting for someone behind me... Said "Good morning, sir." as he held the door while I went through. Mumbled a "Good morning... thanks" as I went through.

Got in my car, put the coffee in the holder, started the car, picked up the coffee, took a sip...paused a bit... put the coffee back in the holder and drove off.

The spur of the moment decision to open carry wasn't too bright I think. I did not mentally prepare myself at ALL and was not prepared for the surge of emotion I experienced as I walked through the door. From that point on I had very little situational awareness, tunnel vision, and fixation on a single individual who was highly unlikely to have been a threat.

Not my finest moment.
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I've been carrying openly a little more frequently lately. I had not for awhile, but I finally got a new OWB holster (Galco Cop 3 slot) that properly fits my 1.75" belt.

Steak n' Shake, Mall of Georgia, gas stations, Petsmart, Target, Waffle House...nothing to report.
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I carried openly today at the range and after I left I needed to make a few stops. Nothing crazy happened, the you guy at the hardware store asked if it was a G17 or G22. It was actually my G19. He didn't seem to mind at all. Obviously knew a little about guns.
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Went hiking and was carrying a Remington 870 slung on my back and glock 22 on my side. Mama always said you can never have enough ammo or firepower. Couple stares but no people telling me I'm going to hell. I love AZ.
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2nd open carry excursion for me... Sunday we needed some stuff (coffee, ice cream, watermelon, soda, etc.) at the local grocery shop, Giant Eagle on 228 in Cranberry Twp. Decided that since I couldn't make the open carry walk on the other side of the state in Philadelphia the least I could do was open carry locally.

Wearing charcoal t-shirt, jeans shorts, and sandals... put on my Don Hume OWB slide holster with the Kahr PM9, tucked in my shirt, and headed to the store.

Parked, got out, and walked up to the store... nobody yelled "Hey JUNIOR!"... not sure anyone actually even noticed. Walked past several people that obviously didn't notice. Wandered into the store, grabbed a cart and proceeded to get my groceries. Pretty sure a couple of people noticed but nobody even raised an eyebrow. Paid, checkout kid didn't see it, walked the groceries out to the car and loaded them in the trunk.

Remembered that we were out of Bailey's and I was low on gin so headed back up to the store (there is a liquor store attached to the GE). When I walked in the door I smiled and said "Hi" to the cashier who smiled back... her eyes scanned me, saw the gun, no reaction. I just kept going. Grabbed the Bailey's and some Bombay and headed back to the registers... the cashier that saw me had left her register and headed up to the office... picked a different register with a guy working it and checked out. Walked out to the car, loaded up, headed home.

Completely calm the entire time, no butterflies, no tunnel vision... completely different event than the first time. Amazing what a little mental preparation can do for you.

I'm curious what the cashier in the liquor store was thinking... I don't know if her leaving her register was related to me or not. All the other registers were manned and the store wasn't busy so there was no one in line. Maybe I'm just too sensitive.
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I live in Texas and open carried for a little while yesterday, mainly from the kitchen to the living room.

I did receive one disapproving stare from a woman sitting on the couch, but I just ignored her (until she called me into the dining room for supper).
This is the shortest and funniest OC story Iíve read in this forum yet! Iíve read many great ones but yours had the water I was attempting to drink coming out of my nose!

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My wife and I, along with my son (JCA1776) and his wife, and my unmarried son (Mk2ja) stopped at KFC in Auburn, IN off I-69, last night about 18:30. Mk2ja was OCing, JCA1776 and I were CCing. Our wives ordered first, then the guys; I joked with the cashier, who appeared to be a high-school age girl, and paid the bill. We served ourselves from the buffet and sat down at a corner table. I hung my coat on my chair before I sat down, revealing my weapon.

Shortly after saying grace, a young man walked up to me and said (verbatim as best as I can recall):

"Do you always carry guns into a family restaurant? You scared the crap out of my kids! Thanks a lot!"

He then turned and walked quickly away. Mk2ja called to him, "Have a good evening," but the rest of us made no reply. I had a mouthful of chicken, but I had no opportunity to reply anyway. The guy left too quickly.

At no point were were rowdy, noisy or threatening in any way. We just ordered, talked amongst ourselves, joked with the staff and picked up our food.

First of all, KFC made no indication of concern or displeasure about our weapons. The staff just took our order, gave us our cups for the drinks and went about their own business.

Second, I never saw the children. I vaguely remember seeing the man seated near the drinks bar on the other side of the shop from where we sat. I have no idea of how our weapons affected them.

From one perspective, the fault lies with the father. All he had to do was explain to his children that weapons are nothing to fear. They are useful tools for self-protection that must be handled wisely and properly; but in the hands of law-abiding and peaceful citizens, they ensure our liberty and safety.

From another perspective, OC frightens children and those unused to seeing weapons in public. Therefore, OC should not be practiced in family situations.

This leads to some questions as part of an AAR:
1. Should responsible citizens opt for CC to avoid frightening the children?
2. Does the father have a valid complaint?
3. Should we have followed the father into the parking lot and opened a can of "whup a**" on him? (OK, just kidding! It was a joke!)

What do you think?
My opinion; and what Iíve learned since I started carrying and having real firearms at home is that children are NOT afraid of firearms.

Unless a child is raised in a very anti-gun household and they hear the comments against it often, they will not fear it. The danger will come from their natural curiosity if they are not taught about firearm safety and to never handle one without adult supervision.

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I was in Anchorage several years ago with a friend who was there for training. I had time to goof off for the day, and hit the pawn shops. I spotted an extremely collectible Marlin model 92 .22. Octagon Bbl, special wood, globe sights. Of course I bought it. I had a .38 in my pocket while shopping. Some of the pawn shops are in seedy areas of town. I got back to the Sheraton where we were staying and the training was taking place. My girlfriend and her fellow trainees just stepped of the conference room in time to see me walking through the lobby with this lever action rifle. Their jaws dropped. I smiled and continued on to the elevator. A man stepped into the elevator with me and I imediatly recognized my former Gov, Jay Hammond. He asked me about my little Marlin, and I told him about picking it up in the pawn shop. Wehad a short, but nice conversation and went our separate ways. So there, I was carrying openly and concealed. I knew the hotel folks wouldn't mind since so many hunters come up here. Nothing new to them. The banker trainees were the surprised ones. The Gov. never batted an eye.
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We have open carry here, mostly I choose not to. It's my personal feelings. I feel that if I'm carrying openly & a bad guy tries to rob a store or other place I'm at, I've given myself away & could be taken out before I have a chance to defend myself. If I'm carrying concealed, I've, hopefully, got surprise on my side. I ABSOLUTLY WON'T START A GUNFIGHT IN A CROWDED BUSINESS, but if the shooting has already started & I'm carrying concealed, I may have surprise on my side & a chance to stop it before other people get hurt. I pray to God I never have to use my gun for anything but fun!
This is my personal decision & I'm glad we have open carry in a number of places & I respect those who choose to open carry where legal. Please no one take this as my not liking people to open carry, this is just my choice & my reasons.
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Frank

Oh yes, a few times when hunting we've gone into resturants to eat & I was open carrying. As far as I could tell no one even paid any attention to us. No one made any comments nor did we get any funny looks. I have open carried, but normally choose not to.
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I don't know of a single entertaining story of OC here in AZ because if you do it, most people will just act like they don't even notice.
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But ill share. This morning when I got off work I stopped to get gas. I was in full chefs uniform with my Kahr K9 in a Highnoon IWB with the butt on the outside. The clerk looked at me funny but I don't think she even noticed the pistol...



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