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Old 08-10-2010, 18:13   #1
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Is It Wrong To Not Have A 7.62 AK?

After much debate on a $1000 budget, I'm going with an AK instead of an AR. A local shop has the Arsenals in stock.

Since I was looking at 5.56 AR's, what are the general thoughts on AK's in other than 7.62?
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Old 08-10-2010, 18:20   #2
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A AK in 5.45x39 is nice.

Very light recoil, accurate, price of ammo is not bad at all.

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Old 08-10-2010, 19:05   #3
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A AK in 5.45x39 is nice.

Very light recoil, accurate, price of ammo is not bad at all.

+1 My next AK will be in 545
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Old 08-10-2010, 20:07   #4
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Well I CAN'T have one in 7.62 and yes I think that's wrong. I am eyeballing a 5.45 hard right now. If I go with a "gopher round" I'd rather have the Russian one. 7N6 is a steal right now!
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Old 08-10-2010, 20:34   #5
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Don't get me wrong - Arsenals are great AKs; however you can save yourself a LOT of money by buying a stock Russian Saiga for around $350 or so (in any caliber you choose - 7.62x39, 7.63x51 (i.e., .308), 5.56 or 5.45) and do the conversion yourself. It's amazingly easy to do, and you'll end up with a Russian-made AK finished just the way you like it. You can pick the stock, rail, grips, etc., any way you like it. You can have a very nice AK for around $500 to $550, depending on how you want to dress it up. Hope this helps -
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Old 08-10-2010, 20:36   #6
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I failed to mention there is some great "how-to" guides on the web about converting Saigas. You may want to start with the Saiga 12 forum. There's a lot of great folks on that forum who are very helpful. But trust me when I say it's easier to do than you may expect. Please let us know what you decide, and be sure to post some pics!
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Old 08-11-2010, 15:45   #7
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^+1 to that. Isn't an Arsenal a converted Saiga dressed up all pretty? I've seen some of these well known AK builders selling AKs for $1,200 which is down right offensive. Give me 2 converted Saigas and a case of ammo for that kind of scratch.
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Old 08-11-2010, 17:19   #8
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Don't know if Restless wants to go the conversion route - but I can't argue there.

And yes I DO think it is wrong to not own a 7.62 AK - however, if you are running lean, as in only one rifle, you need to make the call on SHTF ammo for yourself.

And 5.45, while cheap, does have an availability issue. However, an S&W M&P15 in 5.45 isn't too expensive, and you can get a 5.56 when you want/can afford.
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Old 08-11-2010, 17:44   #9
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Restless-Are the Arsenals at Larry's ? What's the price ? Thanks
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Restless-Are the Arsenals at Larry's ? What's the price ? Thanks
Won't know til' tomorrow afternoon. I want to go in with an open mind, and if I can't decide, I won't buy. I'll let you know, ok?
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Old 08-11-2010, 18:28   #11
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I do have a very nice .223 AK for sale here...
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Old 08-11-2010, 19:08   #12
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After much debate on a $1000 budget, I'm going with an AK instead of an AR. A local shop has the Arsenals in stock.

Since I was looking at 5.56 AR's, what are the general thoughts on AK's in other than 7.62?
Why don't you want one in 7.62 ?

I would go with 5.45 over 5.56. I have no desire to own a 5.56 AK. My next one will more than likely be in 5.45.
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Old 08-11-2010, 19:15   #13
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Well I CAN'T have one in 7.62 and yes I think that's wrong. I am eyeballing a 5.45 hard right now. If I go with a "gopher round" I'd rather have the Russian one. 7N6 is a steal right now!
What ?! Why not ?
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Old 08-11-2010, 19:44   #14
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What ?! Why not ?

CT has a ban on 7.62 AK types.
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Old 08-11-2010, 22:11   #15
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I love my 5.45 saiga. It produces 14" groups at 500 yards.
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Old 08-12-2010, 02:16   #16
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The only reason I don't have 5.45 AK is because when CA ban was enacted 5.45 was just starting to trickle into the US. No spare mags or even ammo was available. SAR was pretty much the only game in town.
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Old 08-12-2010, 08:46   #17
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Chuck Pullen- Yes, Larry's carries Arsenal Ak's. I saw a couple of SLR-107CR's in there the other day.
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Chuck Pullen- Yes, Larry's carries Arsenal Ak's. I saw a couple of SLR-107CR's in there the other day.
You don't recall pricing, do you???
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Old 08-12-2010, 15:30   #19
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After much debate on a $1000 budget, I'm going with an AK instead of an AR. A local shop has the Arsenals in stock.

Since I was looking at 5.56 AR's, what are the general thoughts on AK's in other than 7.62?
I had that decision and actually decided on the 5.45 AK74 INSTEAD of the AK47..I just like the added accuracy and light shooting(less recoil...not so important to me honestly but my kid also likes to shoot and is recoil shy) so I could have gotten the 47 or the 74 both were only $20-30 difference in price...but I went with the 74...unless the ammo absolutely dries up or it actually gets MORE expensive than 7.62X39 I wont probably ever have a 47
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Old 08-12-2010, 16:30   #20
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I love my 5.45 saiga. It produces 14" groups at 500 yards.
I saw those pics... Very impressive. I wonder if that bullet would just bounce off a person at that range.

I'm currently reading up on 5.45x39mm.

What have you guys shot with it??? I mean hard objects, phone books, animals, etc. Any ballistic tesing links around? THANKS!
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Old 08-12-2010, 20:26   #21
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My preference is for 7.62x39 caliber AK's. They are reliable and durable, and magazines are cheap and high quality. I like the extra power and longer barrel life. All of my personal AK's are 7.62 caliber, though my wife's preference is for her 5.56 caliber Arsenal.

The 5.45 has the advantage of lighter and cheaper ammo, lighter recoil, and magazines that are a bit harder to find and more expensive, but still not bad. Being able to have 5000+ rounds in sealed cans shipped to your door for less than $1000 is a huge tactical advantage.

The 5.56 is an excellent choice for the AK platform, with light recoil and ammo that can be found in any sporting goods store in the nation. The magazines are the sole weak point. The black waffle pattern Bulgarian "Circle 10" mags are excellent and not overly expensive. Everything else is either hard to find, or lower quality. My solution for my wife's AK was to buy a big box full of Circle 10 mags for her Arsenal 106. Magazines being hard to find is only a problem if you don't already have enough.
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I saw those pics... Very impressive. I wonder if that bullet would just bounce off a person at that range.

I'm currently reading up on 5.45x39mm.

What have you guys shot with it??? I mean hard objects, phone books, animals, etc. Any ballistic tesing links around? THANKS!
I've shot mine through about 20" of paper at point blank straight down. It tumbled twice and then came out sideways out of the side of the stack and went into the ground never to be recovered. .223 disintegrated and stopped about 12 inches in. 7.62x39 did half a tumble and stopped right at the bottom of the stack. recovered bullet was in the shape of a banana. I'd like to nail a racoon or opossum with my 5.45 at about 300 yards just to see what happens. not likely as they only come out at night. maybe a watermelon or 5 gallon bucket of water.
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Old 08-12-2010, 22:22   #23
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Yes, it is very wrong to not have an AKM-clone in 7.62. However, 5.54 is a lot of fun and a little bit cheaper if ya don't mind cleaning with water first then regular cleaning afterward. Yet, I gots me a ton of Yugo .30 cal (7.62) that is corrosive too.

I actually like the 5.45 (AK74) better for fun shooting--albeit not by much.

this guy likes 5.45 so much that... http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/v...=56057&start=0

He shot a deer with surplus.

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Old 08-12-2010, 22:42   #25
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Or you could get a 5.56x45mm AK-I've several SAR3/Wasr3 in the 5.56x45mm-as light and handy as the SAR2, little more recoil, slightly better accuracy, and common (though not cheap) ammo, Best of both worlds.
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