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Old 08-21-2010, 17:28   #1
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Gold Dot - Personal Defense vs Duty Ammunition

OK ammo gurus ...... Gotta question for you.

What is the difference between Gold Dot Personal Defense ammo and Gold Dot Duty Ammunition?

Specifically I'm interesting in .40 S&W 165 grain... The best I can tell both Personal Defense ammo and Duty Ammunition use the same bullet.. GDHP.

Soooooo .... what's the difference... which is best?

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Old 08-21-2010, 18:15   #2
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OK ammo gurus ...... Gotta question for you.

What is the difference between Gold Dot Personal Defense ammo and Gold Dot Duty Ammunition?

Specifically I'm interesting in .40 S&W 165 grain... The best I can tell both Personal Defense ammo and Duty Ammunition use the same bullet.. GDHP.

Soooooo .... what's the difference... which is best?

Thanks
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Just a guess, probably 8 to 10 bucks a box. Any good quality jhp from a reputable maker, that functions well in "your" handgun is as good as another that does the same. Any marginally better expansion, or penetration, or lack of penetration will not make up for a poorly placed round.

So, it really comes down to what's the difference. Advertising hype. Heck, it must be working, cuz you're asking.
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Old 08-21-2010, 18:37   #3
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Look at the 5-digit part number. Duty starts with "5" while Personal Protection starts with "2". Thus, in 165 gr .40 S&W, 53970 and 23970 are equivalent product (except for price).
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Old 08-21-2010, 18:45   #4
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Just a guess, probably 8 to 10 bucks a box. Any good quality jhp from a reputable maker, that functions well in "your" handgun is as good as another that does the same. Any marginally better expansion, or penetration, or lack of penetration will not make up for a poorly placed round.

So, it really comes down to what's the difference. Advertising hype. Heck, it must be working, cuz you're asking.
The difference ...... as I recall ... is more than 8-10 bucks a box...
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Look at the 5-digit part number. Duty starts with "5" while Personal Protection starts with "2". Thus, in 165 gr .40 S&W, 53970 and 23970 are equivalent product (except for price).
And the PP comes in a 20 rd box while the LE is in a 50 rd box.

Oh, and the 53949 runs the 165 100fps slower (at the muzzle) than the 53970/23970.
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Old 08-21-2010, 20:01   #6
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The difference ...... as I recall ... is more than 8-10 bucks a box...
Like I said, just a guess. I don't buy much store bought ammo.
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Old 08-21-2010, 20:02   #7
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If everyone would just stop buying the 20 round boxes maybe the manufacturer's would give that up. OTOH, that might drive up the price of the 50 round boxes for the rest of us, so nevermind, ignore that.
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The difference is the personal protection comes in 20 round boxes and the duty comes in 50 round boxes, the prices are usually the same although I've seen the duty for less than the pp, and that's NOT including the difference in number of rounds.
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The difference is the personal protection comes in 20 round boxes and the duty comes in 50 round boxes, the prices are usually the same although I've seen the duty for less than the pp, and that's NOT including the difference in number of rounds.
The 20 vs 50 rounds per box was one of the reasons I started the thread.... It seems the is very little difference ...... if any ... in performance.... The 50 round packaging is a whole lot cheaper on a per round basis.......
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yep, just paying more for the same poor expansion performance through heavy clothing. For example,

http://www.youtube.com/tnoutdoors9#p.../6/JF7U9mBQQWk

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When comparing the 165s, there are two LE 50rd loads and only one PP civi 20rd load. That causes confusion at times, but if the part # is 2xxx vs 5xxx they are the same load.

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The 20 vs 50 rounds per box was one of the reasons I started the thread.... It seems the is very little difference ...... if any ... in performance.... The 50 round packaging is a whole lot cheaper on a per round basis.......
Speer doesn't allow retailers to sell the 50 round boxes to civilians, so technically civilians shouldn't have the option however many retailers are on our side and will sell to us.

It's basically a price gouge for civilians, Speer wants us to pay double or more for the same thing. They still aren't as bad as Winchester who tries to not even let us get the good stuff.
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Speer doesn't allow retailers to sell the 50 round boxes to civilians, so technically civilians shouldn't have the option however many retailers are on our side and will sell to us.

It's basically a price gouge for civilians, Speer wants us to pay double or more for the same thing. They still aren't as bad as Winchester who tries to not even let us get the good stuff.
Not necessarily as police do not have to pay Fed. excise tax.
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This is why all of my defensive handgun ammunition is in 50 round boxes ordered online.
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This is why all of my defensive handgun ammunition is in 50 round boxes ordered online.
Good point, Warp.......
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This is why all of my defensive handgun ammunition is in 50 round boxes ordered online.
Yep. And I jump on it when it's available because there's no telling when the outlet will offer it again.

I've seen some 20-round boxes of 9mm Speer Gold Dot and Cor-Bon at almost $50/box at a couple of local shops. There's no way I'm going to pay those prices even though I try to support good local gun stores.
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Yep. And I jump on it when it's available because there's no telling when the outlet will offer it again.

I've seen some 20-round boxes of 9mm Speer Gold Dot and Cor-Bon at almost $50/box at a couple of local shops. There's no way I'm going to pay those prices even though I try to support good local gun stores.
That is a good lesson. Recently I sat on a cart of items from ammunitiontogo for a few days and wouldn't you know it, the 9mm JHPs I wanted ($28/50 124+P Gold Dots) were taken out of inventory the day before I ended up placing the order. A day or two earlier/more decisive and I probably would have had them. It was only going to be a box or two, but hey, it makes a difference.
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Not necessarily as police do not have to pay Fed. excise tax.
People often overlook this. This is why ammo companies don't want retailers selling the 50rd LE boxes to those other than LE/Gov't. It's because the 50rd LE boxes didn't have the federal excise tax paid (which on commercial ammo is paid, and passed along to the consumer in the price you pay)
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People often overlook this. This is why ammo companies don't want retailers selling the 50rd LE boxes to those other than LE/Gov't. It's because the 50rd LE boxes didn't have the federal excise tax paid (which on commercial ammo is paid, and passed along to the consumer in the price you pay)
Is there no excise tax on ammo sold to individual officers or just to departments?
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yep, just paying more for the same poor expansion performance through heavy clothing. For example,

http://www.youtube.com/tnoutdoors9#p.../6/JF7U9mBQQWk
Almost 1.5 times original diameter(.58) and deep penetration....Although maybe not optimal it's definitely not what I would call poor by any stretch of the imagination.
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