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Old 08-24-2010, 19:03   #1
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38 Special Reloading data

Loaded my first batch of 38 Specials today. Started with the online Hodgon's reloading data. I am using Zero 125gr JHP, and Winchester 231. I made couple handfuls each with 4.5gr and 4.8gr of powder charge. OAL is 1.440' and crimp 0.375".

According to Hodgon's I should be getting 1071 ft/s for the 4.8gr load, which is at the top of their range. I was expecting a little over 900ft/s for the lighter load I made.

With the F-1 Chony, I got 750 ft/s for the 4.5gr loads, and 850ft/s for the 4.8gr out of my 4" Python. Both with SDV of about 20ft/s. Accuracy was good at 15ft. But I was expecting to get more velocity. I think I am going to push it to 5.1gr.

Care to share your load data?

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Old 08-24-2010, 19:16   #2
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Hodgdon data is typically light and the velocities are usually based on a 10" barrel. I'd check out a Hornady or other manual for more "useful" data.
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Old 08-24-2010, 19:42   #3
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Some old 38 Special Winchester data I have shows a 125 JHP with 4.7 W231 as a MAX load giving 899 fps. The same book shows a +P 125 JHP load with 5.6 W231 as MAX giving 1064 fps and 19,100 CUP. If you hit 1071 while working up a load, regardless of powder charge, in a 4" 357 you have arrived!

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Old 08-24-2010, 19:58   #4
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Loaded my first batch of 38 Specials today. Started with the online Hodgon's reloading data. I am using Zero 125gr JHP, and Winchester 231. I made couple handfuls each with 4.5gr and 4.8gr of powder charge. OAL is 1.440' and crimp 0.375".

According to Hodgon's I should be getting 1071 ft/s for the 4.8gr load, which is at the top of their range. I was expecting a little over 900ft/s for the lighter load I made.

With the F-1 Chony, I got 750 ft/s for the 4.5gr loads, and 850ft/s for the 4.8gr out of my 4" Python. Both with SDV of about 20ft/s. Accuracy was good at 15ft. But I was expecting to get more velocity. I think I am going to push it to 5.1gr.

Care to share your load data?
From Hodgdon for a Jacketed bullet:

125 GR. HDY XTP Winchester 231 .357" 1.455" 4.3 826 13,300 CUP 4.9 934 16,300 CUP

For a LEAD Bullet:

125 GR. CAST LRNFP Winchester 231 .358" 1.445" 3.8 876 10,300 CUP 4.8 1071 16,900 CUP

These are not + P loads.

Lead charge for charge will USUALLY be faster than the same weight jacketed bullet.

For the + P load they list HP-38 which is IDENTICAL to 231.

125 GR. HDY XTP Hodgdon HP-38 .357" 1.455" 5.3 1018 19,800 CUP

Your Python can easily handle the + P loading. Most revolver data published is done with a vented barrel that doesn't yield the same numbers as a true revolver. Cylinder gap, crimp, bore and bullet size all come in to play to give you different results.

Greg
PS: I usually load 158 gr RNL over a heavy charge of 2400 for major loads in IPSC. If I were loading a 125 gr. jacketed slug I would go with BE at about 4.8 grains.
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Old 08-24-2010, 20:36   #5
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Go back and look at your data. I believe the 1071ft/s is for the lead bullet and not the jacket bullet. You also need too look at what gun did they use a universal barrel and how long was that barrel etc.
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Old 08-24-2010, 20:49   #6
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Old 08-24-2010, 20:54   #7
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Probably a 7.7" test barrel. I assume that is to equal a 6" barrel plus a 1.7" cylinder, even though it is not a revolver or vented to simulate one. The vented test barrel is 4"
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Old 08-24-2010, 21:23   #8
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<table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="altrow"><td class="mini" align="center">125 GR. HDY XTP </td> <td class="mini" align="center">Winchester </td> <td class="mini" align="center">231 </td> <td class="mini" align="center">.357" </td> <td class="mini" align="center">1.455" </td> <td class="mini" align="center">4.3 </td> <td class="mini" align="center">826 </td> <td class="mini" align="center">13,300 CUP </td> <td class="mini" align="center">4.9 </td> <td class="mini" align="center">934 </td> <td class="mini" align="center">16,300 CUP </td></tr></tbody></table>
Oops, I was looking at the Lead data when I was comparing the results. Ok, that makes me feel better. I couldn't believe it was that much off. I am going to bump the powder charge to 5.0 gr. Thanks.
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Old 08-24-2010, 22:00   #9
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from the speer 13 manual they list 5.6gr of 231 for a 125gr jacketed bullet and they say to not reduce this is max and min according to them they also give a reason for this and i quote " jacketed bullets create more resistance then lead bullets and can actually stick in the bore with charges that are to light" now this warning is only for regular 38 loads not +p the +p loads produce enough velocity that this is not a problem. the +p load listed for 125gr jackted bullets is 5.3gr of 231 for start and 5.8gr 231 is max. now as you can see the start load for the +p is lower then what they say is the min. powder charge for standard 38 loads take this however you want but it seems wierd to me.
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