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Old 10-03-2010, 18:01   #1
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Comparison range report: STI Spartan vs. Desert Eagle 1911

Alright, its time to share my thoughts and opinions on the two best $650 1911s on the market. The first player here is the tried and true STI Spartan, which is built by Armscor in the Philippines and fitted with STI small parts. The other player is Magnum Researchís new Desert Eagle 1911, which is built in Israel by BUL. Iím doing this comparison because I want to see how the surprisingly good DE stacks up against my long time favorite entry level model.

Iíve taken them to the range together twice now, the latest being yesterday. Between the two range days, I ran through 200 rounds in each contender.

As Iíve done in the past, Iíll break this comparison up into different sections and rate the guns based on my opinion. I will try to be as detailed as I can to help someone looking for the best enhanced 1911 at a very affordable price.

http://www.stiguns.com/guns/Spartan/Spartan.php

http://www.magnumresearch.com/Expand...ctCode=DE1911G

Finish: Unfortunately for the STI, it is clearly ousted in this category. The Desert Eagle sports an even, clean, semi-glossy black oxide finish. Its attractive and smooth to the touch. The Spartanís finish is a dull two tone parkerizing, which is present on many Armscor built 1911s. Obviously, I donít carry either of these pistols, so I canít rate either finish from a durability standpoint. Advantage: Desert Eagle

Aesthetics: The Desert Eagle would run away with this category if it werenít for the huge roll mark and the stainless grip safety. Though I have learned to overlook them, the roll markings are hideously large and I think the gun would look better with a black grip safety. Having said all that, the Desert Eagle is still a better looking 1911 than the Spartan. It has nicer grips, a nicer looking trigger, no front serrations, and the previously mentioned better finish. Advantage: Desert Eagle

Reliability: Both of these guns have been 100% reliable. However, being that Iíve had it much longer, the STI Spartan has several times the amount of rounds through it. Because itís a more proven commodity, the Spartan gets the edge. In this category, the Desert Eagle is, unfortunately, victimized for being new. Advantage: Spartan

Features: This is very close, as the guns have a nearly identical feature set. Weíre talking single sided safeties, beavertails, and full length guide rods. The Desert Eagle does have a very slight cutout in the frame under the trigger guard to give the shooter a higher grip. However, the difference is minimal. On the flip side, I like the target rear and fiber optic front sights of the Spartan better than the Desert Eaglesí black combat sights. Iím calling it a wash. Advantage: Tie.

Trigger: These two 1911s have, by far, the best two triggers in their price range, so there is no loser here. However, Iím going to give the edge to the Desert Eagle. While its not necessarily better, its lighter and just as crisp as the Spartanís. Its also aluminum, whereas the Spartan is equipped with a plastic trigger. Advantage: Desert Eagle

Accuracy: I shot the Spartan marginally better. This may have been a result of being more familiar with the gun and/or sights that are more conducive to range shooting. As I mentioned, both of these 1911s have outstanding triggers in their price ranges. That said, I was using a rest at 25 yards to take the shooter and the trigger out of the equation as much as possible. Advantage: Spartan

Parts Quality: The Desert Eagle is equipped with a forged slide, a steel mainspring housing, and an aluminum trigger. Advantage: Desert Eagle

Build Quality: Both of these guns possess a remarkably tight slide to frame fitting, though I find the Spartan completely void of any side-to-side movement whatsoever. I also find the Spartan smoother cycling with a smoother hammer. Futhermore, the Spartanís thumb safety is more precise and solid feeling, with a distinct ďclickĒ against the plunger. Other than those details, parts fitting seems to be on the same level. Advantage: Spartan

Exclusivity: I used this category when doing some of my other head-to-head comparison reports, but Iím not sure it holds much weight here. The Desert Eagle is a bit more rare, but only due to its very recent release. Advantage: Tie

Miscellaneous: The overall polish of the Desert Eagle is an upgrade over the rather subdued looking Spartan. However, STI has a much longer history and glorified pedigree, which canít be dismissed. Advantage: Tie

Looking back at this brief report, you can see the Desert Eagle won four categories, while the Spartan took three. The other three ended in a tie. The guns are close. The Desert Eagle is more impressive to look at, has some better parts fitted, i.e. metal over plastic and a forged slide. It also has a great trigger.

Having said all that, these comparisons are never a sum of the categories and my rating system doesnít tell the full story, it only helps. The Spartan remains my favorite entry level 1911. One category I donít include is ďfeelĒ, and the reason I donít include it is because I donít think its really a category. Its too difficult to quantify. The Spartan is more familiar to me and just feels right in my hands, which is probably why I shoot it better. Its also smoother cycling and equipped with better sights for range use, which is obviously where I was doing the comparison. To a new shooter who wants an entry level 1911 for the range, the Spartan gets my nod.

On the flip side, any $650 1911 that bests the STI Spartan in a series of ten categories, deserves heaps of praise. The Desert Eagle is one of the best values in the 1911 world and with its superior finish and other advantages, may be a better value for the dollar than the Spartan at the same price.

To sum everything up, the Spartan is simply a 1911 that gets it right. Its at a minor disadvantage to the Desert Eagle in many ways, but manages to put it all together to more than compensate for this disadvantage in the real world. Likewise, my personal favorite entry level enhanced 1911 hasnít changed.

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Old 10-03-2010, 18:14   #4
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Thanks bac. I am going to be getting a DE as soon as I get the Wilson payed off.
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Old 10-03-2010, 18:24   #5
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what's the gun on the right? i just can't read the name on the slide
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Old 10-03-2010, 18:36   #6
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The fiber optic insert in my Spartan broke/flew out at ca. 2000 rounds. STI sent a replacement insert, took me all of 2 mins to install. It's my favorite handgun.
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Very nice writeup!

Do you think you'll do any more between your more similar 1911's?
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Excellent range report, Brian. Do you rate the Remington R1 a close third?
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Thanks man. Good write-up.
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Old 10-03-2010, 19:19   #10
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what's the gun on the right? i just can't read the name on the slide


Actually the font on the Spartan is even larger, though not as long or deep.
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Excellent range report, Brian. Do you rate the Remington R1 a close third?
No.

Nice gun, but different category. If you look at my guide in the sticky, you'll see that the R1 is in the GI replica group. I wouldn't compare it to these, as they're apples and oranges, in my eyes. The R1 should be compared to similar models.
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Very nice writeup!

Do you think you'll do any more between your more similar 1911's?
Yes.

That said, this is actually the third one I've done.

The other three were:

Wilson CQB vs. Volkmann Combat Custom
Dan Wesson Valor vs. Springfield TRP
Wilson Super Grade vs. Ed Brown Classic Custom

Unfortunately, the only one still standing is this from 2+ years ago:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885646

The other two have disappeared and search won't bring them up.
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Old 10-03-2010, 20:45   #13
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Very good write up! I am very interested in handling a DE. Anything that is around or better quality in the price point of the Spartan is definitely worth a look.
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No.

Nice gun, but different category. If you look at my guide in the sticky, you'll see that the R1 is in the GI replica group. I wouldn't compare it to these, as they're apples and oranges, in my eyes. The R1 should be compared to similar models.
I see, I was looking at the price point only.
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I see, I was looking at the price point only.
Well that makes sense too.

Its just difficult to compare them back to back, as they have a totally different feel.

The R1 is one of the best replicas on the market, as far as I'm concerned.
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Thanks for your report Brian. I have a Spartan and if I needed another full size 1911 I would take a hard look at the Desert Eagle. If I saw one in person I might be tempted to buy as the large roll marks doesn't really bother me.
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Has anyone else noticed that in all of the DE's marketing material and the manual itself the pistol is depicted with front serrations yet none of the actual guns seem to have this?
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Great write up!...

so the Deagle is that good huh. I know the spartan is an amazing value, but i do like the finish of the Deagle better. Too bad it has such a huge billboard on the darn thing. I do like how it doesnt have front cocking serrations though.

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Has anyone else noticed that in all of the DE's marketing material and the manual itself the pistol is depicted with front serrations yet none of the actual guns seem to have this?
I did see one actually DE with front serrations on Gunbroker when they first came out. It was a photo of the actual gun for sale, not a website pic. The very first batch must have had the serrations.

Its looks better without them.
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Nice write-up Brian. I would have to agree with the comparison results. For me, since I am new to both models, it was a dead even tie. With each having their Pros and Cons, I found them to be very suitable for that price range. They actually give more bang for the buck in my opinion.
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Nice write-up Brian. I would have to agree with the comparison results. For me, since I am new to both models, it was a dead even tie. With each having their Pros and Cons, I found them to be very suitable for that price range. They actually give more bang for the buck in my opinion.
Thanks James.

Everything points to the DE being the better 1911, but there's something I really like about the Spartan.
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Old 10-04-2010, 19:59   #22
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That DE is a very nice looking gun, and it's really a shame that it isn't wearing the CD Defense logo it was supposed to be wearing. I was a member of the Charles Daly forum and, like all on that forum, was extremely excited by the prospect of having a 1911 that we, the forum, spec'd out with the Michael Kassner, the president of Charles Daly.

I really can't express how cool it was to not just be able to express what we wanted to see in the new weapon, but to actually see someone respond to the general consensus - putting aside what he had originally spec'd. Many of us had our eyes glued to that project ... there was even talk by MK of having special serial-numbers or a special run of pistols for forum members.

To watch his pistol get sucked out from under him was quite upsetting - especially because you could see from his posts how upset Mr. Kassner was. CD closed up shop weeks later.

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Everyone has been wondering about the status of the G4, particularly after the forum crashed and I posted on m1911.org in the interim. Here is what happened during my last visit to Israel last month...

During my meeting with Bul, I was informed that Bul had decided to supply Magnum Research (MRI) with a 1911. At first, I was furious that they would do this, particularly since they had not yet delivered the first G4 to us. Their reasoning was that KBI would not be able to handle all of the volume Bul intended to produce and that we shouldn't mind as everyone has a 1911 and the gun that Bul would supply to MRI was just another 1911. I agreed that there were many 1911's on the market, but only CD would have the G4.

After careful consideration I finally agreed to share the factory with MRI, as long as the model that Bul would supply to MRI was to a different specification than the G4 that would be supplied to KBI. I didn't like it, but at that point, in that we had not delivered the first G4, I rightfully believed that any 1911 from CD would be better than no 1911 at all.

You see, I was under the impression that MRI wanted a 1911 with front and rear slide serrations, a bull barrel and a Kimber style rear sight.

However, I was then informed that MRI wanted a 1911 with the exact same specification as the G4 and that Bul would produce it for MRI "per the customers request". It seems that somehow MRI had determined that the best configuration for a 1911 was one with rear slide serrations only, a bushing barrel setup and Novak style sights. I wonder where they got the idea that such a configuration is what the market wanted?

I then informed Bul that they had to decide between KBI and MRI. I would not buy the G4 if Bul intended to supply the exact same gun to MRI.

Bul insisted that they had no choice but to supply MRI with what MRI wanted and that was the end of our meeting. I had a few choice words for Bul and then returned to my hotel.

I've learned a valuable lesson here. I thought it was a great idea that we engaged our forum members to help us design the G4 and based on the participation of the forum members we arrived at a specification that consumers wanted in a 1911. But by doing this in such a public forum, we allowed our competitors to learn what we learned. Of course, I never suspected that our supplier would screw us and agree to produce the same gun for a competitor. But that is exactly what happened.

So we will never again solicit design ideas from our members. We will never again announce our plans for new products before they are in production. And we will do our best to only do business with suppliers that have some semblance of integrity.

My sincere apologies to the forum members who worked so hard to help us design the G4. Some will say that this is entirely my fault for not getting an agreement in writing that protected us from such behavior on our supplier's part. And I suppose they are right. However, in my own defense, I have to be able to trust our vendors to do the right thing. I don't want to do business with a company that can only be kept in line with a written agreement.

For now this spells the end of the G4, until such time as we can find a reputable manufacturer that we can work with. Perhaps we need to consider assembling the G4 in house. Only then might we be able to protect ourselves from unscrupulous and greedy suppliers who have absolutely no understanding of the US firearms market.

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Here's the actual thread link (couldn't find it earlier) for anyone who cares:

http://www.charlesdalyforum.com/showthread.php?t=1635
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This is a great review! I have not seen any of the Desert Eagles, so I will have to bug my dealer.

I am not a fan of BUL due to the reasons ^^. I was one of the folks that took part in Charles Daly's soliciting of opinions and polls on building the G4. Many of you may not have been familiar with CD/CDD but they had excellent customer service and was a good company that BUL basically threw under the bus by taking the G4 design and selling it out from under CD.

However, at least the pistol is well-designed with direct impact from enthusiasts.

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So you guys are responsible for the shiny beavertail?

Wasn't CD shut down by the ATF for not playing by the rules?
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