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Old 09-06-2010, 10:17   #1
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G20 Failure to Feed reloads

I loaded 100 rounds to the following specs:

200gr XTP
9.0gr 800X
OAL 1.253
CCI300 primers
Starline brass - new
1/2 turn on Lee FCD

Lee carbide dies with FCD
and Lee Bulge Buster

I had failure to feed issues with my G20 setup as follows:

Gen 3 Glock 20
KKM standard length barrel
20# Wolff recoil spring
+10% mag spring

Rounds would hang up by 3 points,,,the bolt face, the feed ramp and
the top of the chamber (possibly called a 3 point ???)

Another shooter with me had a 100% stock gen3 G20 -- no mods whatsoever. With a loaded mag, the slide pulled back and let go to
chanber a round......the round would hang up just like above. The round would be hung up at the top of the chamber, the feed ramp and the bolt face. This failrure occurred several times....only when you forcefully would snap and jerk the pistol would the round chamber. During firing with the stock G20 the same hangup would occur.

When home I measured some DT 135's and some 180's. The only difference I could see was the DT rounds OAL was 1.243 while my OAL was 1.253 which is well within any spec I've ever seen.

I'm beside myself. I didn't think reloading was that sensitive to minor variations....I mean a stock glock will not eat my reloads. I just do not understand what I could possibly be doing wrong.

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Old 09-06-2010, 16:07   #2
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My Hornady factory Ten 200 gr XTPs measure 1.24"...

The heavier recoil spring will increase the cartridges 'bounce' off the ramp; combine that with longer OaL (which starts the bounce earlier than normal), you can perfectly wedge it at 45 degrees up into the bbl hood.

Shorten them a bit.....if your load is flirting with max, reduce it .2 gr....
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:02   #3
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My Hornady factory Ten 200 gr XTPs measure 1.24"...

The heavier recoil spring will increase the cartridges 'bounce' off the ramp; combine that with longer OaL (which starts the bounce earlier than normal), you can perfectly wedge it at 45 degrees up into the bbl hood.

Shorten them a bit.....if your load is flirting with max, reduce it .2 gr....
Looks like you're my only responder, thanks. I've ordered a stock recoil spring -- duh I can't find my original stock spring -- I musta done something smart with it. Anyway, I took one of my rounds that will not feed properly and tried to insert it into my barrel (removed from slide) The round had a distinct point where it seems to hang up when compared with a factory load. I took my reload back to the loading bench and re-crimped it to match a DT load crimp. The round now feeds without the hang-up. I went out with the repaired rounds and tested 20 of them with my KKM barrel. All chambered and fired without any failures. Could it be that simple? The loads did not have enough crimp? Quite possably the case. I will load another batch and match DT's OAL and DT's taper crimp and see if that works.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:13   #4
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The KKM barrels are undoubtedly a few thousandths tighter near the extractor groove, and, like .001" smaller even at the case mouth. Crimp may very well have been the issue, good luck
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:04   #5
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in my glock 20 i can load from an OAL of 1.23-1.39 and it will feed them loaded with 200gr xtp. i am running a stock spring with a custom made comp the reduces slide velocity so a stronger spring is not needed. i am running a threaded LW barrel.
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Old 09-12-2010, 18:07   #6
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I loaded up 200 rounds w/various powder/bullet configs for testing. I just got back from testing and actually had 100% feeding. Here's what I did to fix the problems....so far:

1. I read everything I could in these forums re glocks and failure to feed reloaded rounds
2. From these posts one poster said he set his Factory Crimp Die to match a factory
load crimp...if that makes sense.
3. I shortened the OAL from 1.25 to 1.243 which is about the length of a DT round.

So all I really did was more of a crimp and shortened the round a bit. That appears to have done it. I fired about 150 rounds without any failures.

PS....the +10% mag springs did cause the follower to prematurely cause the slide to stay back with a round still in the mag....I will be going back
to the stock weight springs.

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Old 09-12-2010, 19:18   #7
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=289675

for $15.49, it's worth every penny!!!!!!!11
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Old 09-12-2010, 19:30   #8
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kinda weird that your loads were hanging up in the other guys stock g20. most of my loads are 180g xtp's in starline and have a 1.260 oal and they have always run just fine through my g20 and my wifes g29

arent the 200g xtp's the same as the 180g just a bit longer?
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:43   #9
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http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=289675

for $15.49, it's worth every penny!!!!!!!11

I'm using one now! I know the case size if good.
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Old 09-12-2010, 22:13   #10
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case gauge?
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Old 09-12-2010, 23:42   #11
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I would not load a 200XTP near max load to 1.243 OAL. DT is using a commercial powder. You are taking a real risk for a catastrophic failure IMHO.
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I would not load a 200XTP near max load to 1.243 OAL. DT is using a commercial powder. You are taking a real risk for a catastrophic failure IMHO.
What do you consider to be a near max load?
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What do you consider to be a near max load?
Any load that is stated in the manufactures data as max. Depending on projectile. Eg Power pistol max load for 165gr in 10mm is listed @ 10.0 gr I would condired near max is 9.8 or 9.9 gr @ 1.255 OAL. If the. OAL is reduced to 1.245 and your charge is 9.8gr you could have a big problem with a case head separation or a flat out KABOOM. If you wanted to set the OAL @1.245 I would start out @ 8.0gr and work up in .1gr increments until you see pressure signs like flattened primers or headstamps. Glock smiles would also be an indication that the charge needs reduction.
I believe that max published load for 180XTP with 800X is 9.0 @ 1.260
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Old 09-15-2010, 10:50   #14
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While I was testing the last batch of reloads for feeding reliability I tried to fire a batch of 200gr WFNGC rounds I loaded a few months back.....all failed to feed. The OAL was 1.253" I don't know why this is such a problem....the only way to get these to feed in my G20 is to load them to an OAL around 1.24 I will just have to reduce the powder charge and do some additional chrony tests.
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While I was testing the last batch of reloads for feeding reliability I tried to fire a batch of 200gr WFNGC rounds I loaded a few months back.....all failed to feed. The OAL was 1.253" I don't know why this is such a problem....the only way to get these to feed in my G20 is to load them to an OAL around 1.24 I will just have to reduce the powder charge and do some additional chrony tests.
I have been doing A LOT of testing with the 200gr WFNGC lately, from 1.250 - 1.270 OAL & light to firm crimp. I have used a 22#, and I'm now using a 24# spring, and I haven't had any feeding/extracting issues. I had issues when I was still using the stock recoil assembly, but ever since I threw in the 22# & 24# springs, it's been smooth sailing.

Is there any chance you sprayed some One Shot or other case lube before sizing the brass, and didn't wipe it off completely? I use One Shot even with my carbide dies, and it can get a little gummy if I don't wipe down the cases well enough.
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Possibly a tighter crimp, possibly need heavier recoil spring (20# isn't enough spring for a load like that). I have no idea why you would need a heavier mag spring, but that could possibly throw it off too.


By the way, 7.8gr. of 800x is a "max load" for the 200gr. XTP. You're running a 15% overload, but in my G29, the 9.0gr. runs great - around 1200 fps avg. (but that's with 350 primers, not 300s)


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I have been doing A LOT of testing with the 200gr WFNGC lately, from 1.250 - 1.270 OAL & light to firm crimp. I have used a 22#, and I'm now using a 24# spring, and I haven't had any feeding/extracting issues. I had issues when I was still using the stock recoil assembly, but ever since I threw in the 22# & 24# springs, it's been smooth sailing.

Is there any chance you sprayed some One Shot or other case lube before sizing the brass, and didn't wipe it off completely? I use One Shot even with my carbide dies, and it can get a little gummy if I don't wipe down the cases well enough.
My reloads are clean so that's not an issue. I just got a new set of Wolff springs from 17, 19, 20, 22 & 24 pound. I'll figure it out.
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[QUOTE=Kegs;15991686]Possibly a tighter crimp, possibly need heavier recoil spring (20# isn't enough spring for a load like that). I have no idea why you would need a heavier mag spring, but that could possibly throw it off too.


By the way, 7.8gr. of 800x is a "max load" for the 200gr. XTP. You're running a 15% overload, but in my G29, the 9.0gr. runs great - around 1200 fps avg. (but that's with 350 primers, not 300s)

I'm going to try an assortment of spring weights and see if that fixes it. With 200gr WFNGC's, 800X and CCI 350's I've loaded up to 9.9gr powder with no problems observed. They were flying out of a standard length KKM at just under 1400fps. Those were only test rounds and I worked up to that level in small increments. I actually load the 200gr bullets with 8.5 to 9gr of 800X and they are still quite toasty.
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Fix the crimp, you already saw how that fixed the one batch that would not feed reliably.

As for the factory crimp die, if your dies are set-up right this is a non issue. Make sure your sizing die almost touches the shell plate and that your crimp is sufficient.

What I have found is that Redding dies size the cases better, especially in 40SW/10MM.

I run Redding Pro Series T/C dies in my 550B with no issues.

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Fix the crimp, you already saw how that fixed the one batch that would not feed reliably.

As for the factory crimp die, if your dies are set-up right this is a non issue. Make sure your sizing die almost touches the shell plate and that your crimp is sufficient.

What I have found is that Redding dies size the cases better, especially in 40SW/10MM.

I run Redding Pro Series T/C dies in my 550B with no issues.

Good luck.
I'll check out the redding dies....I am probably going to get a progressive setup in a month or 2.
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