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Old 10-09-2010, 07:39   #1
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.45 bullets

I'm using my G36 and looking for a company with a plated bullet shape and weight that will feed flawlessly through this gun and give a nice round hole in the paper target. I need an approximate OAL also, please, although I can likely get this through the bullet company.
I have Berry, Precision (black bullets) and Rainier in mind, but remembered that some folks, like DannyR, prefer Montana Gold.
I have some Moyer's (Pa) SWC, but they aren't coated, they don't load well regardless of OAL. Using about 5 grains of Bullseye for a nice range load that will also function well.
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Old 10-09-2010, 17:39   #2
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i have shot berrys 230gr rn in my 36 with no probloems. i switched to precision delta fmj rn because they were basically the same price and fmj seems to be less pressure sensitive, good luck
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Old 10-10-2010, 15:28   #3
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I'm using my G36 and looking for a company with a plated bullet shape and weight that will feed flawlessly through this gun and give a nice round hole in the paper target. I need an approximate OAL also, please, although I can likely get this through the bullet company.
I have Berry, Precision (black bullets) and Rainier in mind, but remembered that some folks, like DannyR, prefer Montana Gold.
I have some Moyer's (Pa) SWC, but they aren't coated, they don't load well regardless of OAL. Using about 5 grains of Bullseye for a nice range load that will also function well.
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Mine has no trouble with ball or wadcutters. My 1911 will feed anything. My Glock 36 has been the same. I just buy whatever is cheap, but I like the 200gr lswc from Dardas and the 230gr fmj from Zero. I don't think you have to be very picky if your pistol is in good condition.
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:12   #4
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I am about to finish up my first 1,000 of the Extreme 230grn RN bullets from T.J. Conevera, almost all have gone through my G36 (some went through my 1911). I have not had one misfeed or any type of problem.

Conevera's price for 1,000 ($113) INCLUDES shipping. Pretty good deal.

Link: http://www.tjconevera.com/x4523rnplbu1.html
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Old 10-11-2010, 13:22   #5
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Thanks to all posters. I had some 200gr SWC's that wouldn't feed.
I just ordered Rainier 230gr RN. Will check that out and report back.
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I loaded these with 5.1 grains of W231, crimp of 0.470" and OAL of 1.235". I ran 50 of these and no failures. They were a tiny bit less powerful than my Winchester Supreme Elite PDX1 bonded 230gr which also ran fine, of course. My G36 stayed nice and clean; ejection was fine. I didn't chrony them but guess in the 800+ fps range. I do know they aren't softballs. Got two blisters on my trigger finger to prove it.
These loads ran great in my G36 but may not in your's. Use at your own peril. (My last G36 gave me similar blisters; is why I sold it.)
Running plated bullets as they're pretty cheap from Midway and I don't have any leading. I measured ten of these Rainier bullets, and the max deviation from the mean (229.56 gr) was one grain; the ave deviation was 0.54 gr from the mean.They seemed accurate, only used 9 yard distance as only had one hour to shoot 80 .45's and 90 9mm's. All shot into one 3" hole except for some trigger-jerks.
Thanks for all your helpful comments.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:49   #6
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Thanks to all posters. I had some 200gr SWC's that wouldn't feed.
I just ordered Rainier 230gr RN. Will check that out and report back.
Best regards,
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Sonny,

Is there a special reason your wanting plated over non plated (jacketed) ?

I've been loading 230gr remington's (from Cabela's) and loading them with 7.5 and 7.7grs Power Pistol. Even way out there 30/35 yds, they make one nice hole in the target. At 7 and 15 yds they wil stay in a group just a tad bigger than a poker chip. I have not run plated threw the G36 but these have worked flawless, and the gun loves them. I put the COAL at 1.256/1.260 max. This is on all my 45's. No problems at all.

Just a suggestion or additional info for ya here.

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I have been using plated, as they are obviously not bare lead, so zero or minimal leading. They are soft, swaged copper-covered lead, so tend to obturate well, even at lower pressures. I haven't used jacketed merely because plated are lower priced than plated, although I must admit that the savings is only $26 per thousand...not very much. And if the quality (and accuracy) of your Remingtons is that good, perhaps I should try some.
I don't know whether the Remingtons...JHP's...run as well through the G36 as RN. Please let me know whether you're using JHPs or RNs in your G36.
Also, how do you feel about using 200grain. I used to shoot a lot of 1911 in Bullseye, and "we" always ran 200grain. Also, I would expect the recoil would be somewhat less than the 230's, given similar velocity.
Thanks for your help on this.
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Sonny,

Is there a special reason your wanting plated over non plated (jacketed) ?

I've been loading 230gr remington's (from Cabela's) and loading them with 7.5 and 7.7grs Power Pistol. Even way out there 30/35 yds, they make one nice hole in the target. At 7 and 15 yds they wil stay in a group just a tad bigger than a poker chip. I have not run plated threw the G36 but these have worked flawless, and the gun loves them. I put the COAL at 1.256/1.260 max. This is on all my 45's. No problems at all.

Just a suggestion or additional info for ya here.

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Hi CM,
On your suggestion, I have ordered some 230 Remingtons to play with, in addition to some Rainier and Hornady XTP's. I'll let you know how this plays out. I also have Power Pistol, so may duplicate your loading also. Thanks.
I'll check out other loading data just to verify...first.
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Hi CM,
On your suggestion, I have ordered some 230 Remingtons to play with, in addition to some Rainier and Hornady XTP's. I'll let you know how this plays out. I also have Power Pistol, so may duplicate your loading also. Thanks.
I'll check out other loading data just to verify...first.
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Hey sounds great. I donot at all think you will be sorry especially with the 230gr ball remingtons (exposed lead base), and the 230gr XTP's.

I use the 7.5grs PP, and the 7.7gr max PP for both, and like I said, man the G36 LOVES both of these. I have been usung the 7.7grs PP more and more. It is stout in the G36, but a hoot to shoot and NOT at all uncontrolable, and I am talking (for me at least) VERY accurate from 7 to 35yds and even more than that. Very tight groups. Try 7.5grs PP and 7.7grs PP with these two bullets, and see which one your gun likes best, and BTW, I was doing the 7.7grs PP with the stock recoil spring, just to let ya know. No problems at all, none ! I have since placed a Wolff steel rod and 22# spring set up in it though. Have not tried it yet, but am sure it will be fine.

Have fun, and let me know what ya think amigo ! BTW, if a can run(cycle) them through the 36 at COAL 1.260 start there.

NOTE**** My loading data came from Hornady Vol 1. I went a tad over to the 7.7grs, but NO NO NO problems at all stock barel and spring, and NO signs of a problem, and brass very reloadable a few more times.

For a VERY long time I been loading the G30 and all my other 45's with 7.4 and 7.5 grs PP and 1.260 and this has given me very tight groups in all my 45's. the 7.7grs did even better, but in the G36 you may like the 7.5grs the best.

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Old 11-07-2010, 07:04   #10
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Hey CM,
Thanks for info. So far, I've been using some Bullseye and W231, but have Power Pistol on my shelf so will try your loads. Should be able to chrono them next week also. I'll use 7.5 gr PP with the 36; same with my G30 and check 'em out against W231 @ 5.4 gr. with 230 Rainiers RN and Remington jacketed RN and perhaps some XTP's also. Appreciate your suggestions.
Have a good weekend.
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Hey CM,
Thanks for info. So far, I've been using some Bullseye and W231, but have Power Pistol on my shelf so will try your loads. Should be able to chrono them next week also. I'll use 7.5 gr PP with the 36; same with my G30 and check 'em out against W231 @ 5.4 gr. with 230 Rainiers RN and Remington jacketed RN and perhaps some XTP's also. Appreciate your suggestions.
Have a good weekend.
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You are most welcome amigo !
I don't know if I mentioned it, but I use standard CCI 300 LPP's in these loads. (suggestion) start with 7.4 then 7.5, and if ya trust me (ha) then bump up to 7.7grs. of PP. I do use the 7.7grs in all my 45's and NO problems at all. I shot a dump load of 7.5 and 7.7grs PP in the g36 just the other day. 7.4/7.5gr PP 1.260 works REAL well in both the G30/G36. Good staring place with 230gr bullets.


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Old 11-07-2010, 18:32   #12
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I load for a G36 and my preferred load is 5.0 grs of WST pushing a 200 gr. Montana Gold Jacketed Flat Point. I use Winchester LP primers and use a LNL AP press...

I have shot over 1,000 of these rounds through my G36 with no problems. I have also shot about 3,000 of them through my G30 and G21 with no problems either.
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Old 11-13-2010, 07:03   #13
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I shot a ton of Rainier 230gr RN plated through my G36. Flawless. I went away from them last year due to price and have been going with FMJ from Precision Delta due to price. Also, flawless.
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Old 11-13-2010, 16:47   #14
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Some .45 Auto loads, commercial and reloads:

These worked fine in my G36. Use at your own risk. Some of these loads
are max'd out for W231 powder.

Speer Nickel case, JHP, 970, 979, 1006 avg 985 fps.

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sample size: 10 rounds or more with all reloads...
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Rainier, 230 gr plated RN, 5.1 gr W231, avg veloc 704 fps
0.470” crimp, 1.235” COL

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Rainier, 200 gr plated RN, 5.4 gr W231, avg veloc 720 fps
0.470” crimp, 1.235” COL (too long for 200 gr)

Rainier, 230 gr plated RN, 5.4 gr W231, avg veloc 765 fps
0.470” crimp, 1.235” COL

Remington, 230 gr FMJ RN, 5.4 gr W231, avg veloc 738 fps
0.470” crimp, 1.235” COL

Hornady XTP, 230 gr, , 5.4 gr W231, avg veloc 772 fps
0.470” crimp, 1.208” COL

Since many of these are rather low velocity, I'll be checking out some other powders as you folks have suggested, Unique, Power Pistol, WSF. Thanks for your help.

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Hey Canyon Man,
I'm not recommending these loads to anyone. Standard liability disclaimer. I haven't used them yet in my gun. These are about the same loads you use, so I expect them to be just fine. Thanks for your suggestions.

Please, just let me know if you expect them to be too hot for my G36.

Loaded up a bunch of new Starline brass, .45 ACP, with 7.6gr of Power Pistol. Using Rainier 230 gr plated RN, 1.260" COL and 0.470" crimp. This should put me into the 900 fps range. Will also be loading same powder charge to Remington 230 FMJ RN at same COL.

Also plan some Hornady 230 XTP's with ~1.210" COL and 7.6 gr PP. I also have some Rainier 200gr RN that I may come down to about 7 grains and ~1.210" COL, and hoping to still be around 900 fps.

I use WLP primers. Always had good luck with them; halfway between standard and magnum strength.
Holler at me if you see something here really stupid; hate to mess up my G36.
Thanks in advance for the advice from you guys.
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New G36 loads ran fine.

I ran these .45 ACP loads in G36 this a.m. at the range (11/22/10) and chrono'd them all.

I saw no signs of high pressure on any of the following loads. Primers were not flattened or cratered. Extraction/ejection was fine and vigorous. Cases were thrown about 20 feet over my right shoulder. Cases from the 200 gr loads at the bottom of this list went six feet or so over rt shlder.

Loaded up a bunch of new Starline brass, .45 ACP, with 7.6gr of Power Pistol. Using Rainier 230 gr plated RN, 1.250" COL and 0.470" crimp.
AVG = 875 fps. std dev = 8 fps

Loaded Power Pistol, 7.6gr powder charge with Remington 230 FMJ RN at 1.260" COL.
AVG = 866 fps std dev = 11 fps

Also ran Hornady 230 XTP's with 1.210" COL and 7.6 gr PP.
AVG = 901 fps std dev = 12 fps

Rainier plated 200gr RN, 7.0 grains Power Pistol, and 1.225" COL, Recoil much lighter than above loads, but still
AVG = 800 fps. with std dev = 15 fps

Only fired about 25 cartridges, so fouling was very light and easily swabbed from bore. No evidence of any copper fouling from Rainier plated bullets. None was expected, as Rainier advertises that their copper plating is secure under 1200-1250 fps.

I was very happy with the above loads. The recoil was not objectionable with any of the 230 grain loads. The lessened recoil with the slower 200-grain loads (800 fps) was surprising and pleasant, when I shot them at the end of my range stay.

I use WLP primers. Always had good luck with them; halfway between standard and magnum strength.

I may order some additional Rainier 200gr plated bullets. Running at 800 fps, they are a nice range load with good ejection.
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I ran these .45 ACP loads in G36 this a.m. at the range (11/22/10) and chrono'd them all.

I saw no signs of high pressure on any of the following loads. Primers were not flattened or cratered. Extraction/ejection was fine and vigorous. Cases were thrown about 20 feet over my right shoulder. Cases from the 200 gr loads at the bottom of this list went six feet or so over rt shlder.

Loaded up a bunch of new Starline brass, .45 ACP, with 7.6gr of Power Pistol. Using Rainier 230 gr plated RN, 1.250" COL and 0.470" crimp.
AVG = 875 fps. std dev = 8 fps

Loaded Power Pistol, 7.6gr powder charge with Remington 230 FMJ RN at 1.260" COL.
AVG = 866 fps std dev = 11 fps

Also ran Hornady 230 XTP's with 1.210" COL and 7.6 gr PP.
AVG = 901 fps std dev = 12 fps

Rainier plated 200gr RN, 7.0 grains Power Pistol, and 1.225" COL, Recoil much lighter than above loads, but still
AVG = 800 fps. with std dev = 15 fps

Only fired about 25 cartridges, so fouling was very light and easily swabbed from bore. No evidence of any copper fouling from Rainier plated bullets. None was expected, as Rainier advertises that their copper plating is secure under 1200-1250 fps.

I was very happy with the above loads. The recoil was not objectionable with any of the 230 grain loads. The lessened recoil with the slower 200-grain loads (800 fps) was surprising and pleasant, when I shot them at the end of my range stay.

I use WLP primers. Always had good luck with them; halfway between standard and magnum strength.

I may order some additional Rainier 200gr plated bullets. Running at 800 fps, they are a nice range load with good ejection.
Sonnytoo



Good report amigo !


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Hate showing targets, but for fun....

Sonny, this is what the G36 did with several different 230gr loads from GS to XTP, to WW ball, all 230gr. All loaded at 7.7grs PP. Range from 7 to 35 yds semi rapid fire. I think there are about 150 rds in this one hole, if I remember right. I just went outside and started blasting away.

Thin to Win - G36 Club

As I said, I started at 7yds, but got board and backed up to 35yds. (not written on the target, didn't know I was going to do that yet. ha)

Thin to Win - G36 Club


I do like these loads. The 7.5 and the 7.7 did the best 'for me,' I'd have to say, and again, the 7.5grs PP would make a very good SD rd.


Just for fun here.



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Sonnytoo, with your chrono experience (wish I had one and a place to use it); how much difference does the mfg and strength (not sure that is the right word) of the primer make in reloading for the 45 Auto and our G36s?

I seem to migrate to CCI LP for what I perceive to be valid reasons, not scientific or vetted in any way other than my opinion regarding reliability, ease of use, packaging. I digress, the question is strength of primer. Thanks
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G36....... Sorry so long before I answered. Just saw your post.

Here is most of what I have on primers.

CCI are the hardest primers. The next are Remington followed by Winchester with Federal being the lightest.

The important aspect of a primer in high-pressure loads is the cup thickness. So in order of thickest to thinnest:

Rem 7 1/2: .025
CCI 450 & BR4: .025

Federal 205M: .0225

Winchester: .021

Rem 6 1/2: .020
CCI 400: .020

Federal 200: .019

I concluded primer hardness is not a good measure but "sensitivity" is. I found without fail, Federal large and small pistol primers are more sensitive than any other brand, thus will ignite with less striking energy. I also found CCI large and small pistol primers are the least sensitive, requiring more striking energy. The rest of the American brands fall somewhere in between.

I use CCI mag primers to test guns after a "spring job". If they light up, everything else will too.

Magnum primers do have stronger cups to deal with magnum pressures. They also have more "mix" so they are like adding extra powder to the load. Standard primers should be used for all pistol powders except the slow burning powders used for magnum loads. These include: W-296, H-110, Lil'Gun, and IMR 4227. Magnum primers should not be used with fast burning powders because it will increase chamber pressure beyond limits. Mag primers can be substituted for standard primers when using mid-burn rate powders provided you back off the powder charge by .5 grains.

Winchester WLP primers are in-between standard and magnum primers in terms of explosive power. I have used these in 99% of my shooting over the last 50 yrs. I have been very happy with them. I have no problem using other makes of primers and would reco following standard loading tables when they specify a particular primer. The wrong primer can turn an otherwise safe loading into one that is dangerously high or low pressure. So it pays to be careful. That being said, I have lots of WLP's on the shelf so I generally use them.

Much of the material above was obtained in posts by IOWEGAN, a retired gunsmith and resident expert in the RugerForum.com. To a large extent, the material was concerning revolvers, but I think it's just as relevant in semi's.
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