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Old 06-07-2013, 11:10   #1
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Working WITH the neighbors in a crisis

Lots of folks plan to "bug out" to some remote location and live off the land. Most of them won't survive through the fourth night. In my rural setting, out best bet, except nuclear, is to stay in place and utilize the resources we see and manage every day. That said, in the case of "we'll just hunt for food" it seems to me that we will have to work well with our neighbors in the event of the need to "hunt for food"

Think about this - one deer (Georgia sized - 90-110 lbs live weight) will feed about 40 people for two, maybe three days before the remaining meat spoils. Maybe a day or so more in the winter. But if every family of four shoots the first deer they see, we use up 10 deer in the same amount of time. We run out quite quickly.

How would you negotiate / reason with your neighbors to make the taking of large game into a group affair to make the resource last much longer.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:21   #2
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I think that any reasoning will be out the window.

From the hip, I think your estimate on feeding 40 people for days is not gonna work...but that's just my first impression.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:27   #3
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I think that any reasoning will be out the window.

From the hip, I think your estimate on feeding 40 people for days is not gonna work...but that's just my first impression.
My guesstimates may be wrong but I'm thinking of the process.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:43   #4
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I think the general thinking is a lot of folks will head out to hunt deer and the population will be decimated. You may need to learn to trap smaller animals or get good a shooting rabbits, squirrel, etc.

I would be concerned about some one trying to take your kill away from you. It happens now when people get desperate they may kill you for what you have and drag it off for themselves.

Banding with some neighbors might be a good idea also finding a way to preserve the meat longer. If your already living on some sort of farm your probably now about curing meat
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:19   #5
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You may need to learn how to cure meat.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:45   #6
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You may need to learn how to cure meat.
Yes, that may be next on the list of things to learn.
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Old 06-07-2013, 13:20   #7
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Yeah, you're not feeding 20 people for 2-3 meals off 1 110lb deer.

Much less 3 days.


The other problem, is, hunting when you need food is exactly backwards. You want to hunt before you need it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 14:15   #8
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There is far more meat on a deer in a survival situation than there is when times are good and I am wrapping it for the freezer. There are hearts, livers, tongues, tails, ribs, neck, brains(?).
My point was that if each familiy in our locale shoots a deer, they will end up wasting much of it. It will go much further if one is shot and shared than if each family unit shoots a deer each. Utilize the resource instead of deplete the resource.
I will spend most of my time keeping folks from fishing in my lake. It provides a water source for me, my animals, my garden and it provices an almost limitless source of fish (if I can keep it secure).
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Old 06-07-2013, 15:39   #9
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I offer a counter argument;

Hunting on GOOD days can be tough. With the bug out crowd of idiots stomping through the woods shooting at anything that moves - there won't be a deer for miles. In fact, I posit they will all be hanging out munching on abandoned gardens and flower beds in suburbia.

And yes - there will be a lot of meat wasted by people who don't know what to do with it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 19:00   #10
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Several important points so far:

1) work with your neighbors
2) learn to jerk/preserve meat
3) never EVER eat brains (google Prion) from any animal.
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Old 06-07-2013, 19:14   #11
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Hunting for food to survive is a fantasy.
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Old 06-07-2013, 19:22   #12
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Several important points so far:

1) work with your neighbors
2) learn to jerk/preserve meat
3) never EVER eat brains (google Prion) from any animal.
Nice and simple. Good post. No head cheese though?
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Old 06-07-2013, 20:11   #13
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I guess it depends on the neighbors. Yes, I'd speak with them, but most w/guns don't want to be rationed or be criticized when they choose not to participate.

Every fool with a .22 will be shoooting at everything. Deer will bed down and become more nocturnal. Jacklighting will be rampant and NVG's will be the king.
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Old 06-07-2013, 20:53   #14
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You may need to learn how to cure meat.
You're right. Unfortunately I don't know how to cure meat. Maybe I better learn soon.
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Old 06-07-2013, 22:55   #15
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You're going to run out of deer pretty quickly. People outnumber deer about 10 to 1 in Georgia.
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Ain't no hunting going on in L.A., that's for sure.
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I offer a counter argument;

Hunting on GOOD days can be tough. With the bug out crowd of idiots stomping through the woods shooting at anything that moves - there won't be a deer for miles. In fact, I posit they will all be hanging out munching on abandoned gardens and flower beds in suburbia.

And yes - there will be a lot of meat wasted by people who don't know what to do with it.
Bug out crowd of idiots,we got 20+yrs of food x 2 a both houses.I'd quit painting such a broad picture.Not all of us that plan on bugging out are n00bs.'08.
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Old 06-08-2013, 12:25   #18
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Hunting for food to survive is a fantasy.

Maybe you picked the wrong name.....


And yes, it would be a pretty shocking experiance to make the change from the 'meats' section of your local super-market to what you may stumble across in the woods.


And critters alone won't keep you alive for very long...need some veggies, fruit and other semi-palatable stuff on your plate. (ask the sailors who had 'scurvy")

I live "in the woods" on a lake...and think I'd be pretty hungry, pretty soon if I had to live off the land.

Got my stash of Dinty Moore Beef Stew and Kraft Mac-n-Cheeze to last me a couple months...
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Old 06-08-2013, 18:27   #19
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Here are some laughs about the concept that community cooperation would work.

There are an estimated 30 million deer in the United States today.

The foregoing was picked up by google search. This works out to 1 deer for every 10 people. How do I come to that? Take 30 million deer and divide them among 300 million people.

. . . each deer provides an average of 22 kg of meat . . Again, google is your friend in obtaining "facts".

So, once again the fantasy of "Bugging out and living off the land" takes a hit from reality.

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Alot of it depends on location.



I could definitely hunt for survival in AK, if it were bad enough to make me bug out to my last ditch BOL.

I would have to live like the Natives did, jerking meat, and such in the summer, but entirely possible, because of the ammount of game, and the difficulty reaching the area I'm in.


Different entirely for someone in a highly populated state.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:50   #21
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Here are some laughs about the concept that community cooperation would work.

There are an estimated 30 million deer in the United States today.

The foregoing was picked up by google search. This works out to 1 deer for every 10 people. How do I come to that? Take 30 million deer and divide them among 300 million people.

. . . each deer provides an average of 22 kg of meat . . Again, google is your friend in obtaining "facts".

So, once again the fantasy of "Bugging out and living off the land" takes a hit from reality.

I'm not so sure on this one BD. I understand the stats you've posted and don't doubt the estimate. However, not everyone in the U.S. has a gun, much less a hunting rifle. So I would tend to think it more of a myth that everyone is going to go out to the woods and shoot the place up. Additionally, for many 'urbanites' the idea simply wouldn't occur to them anyway as it is a foreign concept. And sad to say that in the event of a shtf situation on a national level, a lot of people are not going to be here to begin with and/or perish within a few days/weeks of whatever the event was.

Look at the big disasters that have happened in the last 10 or so years that put local services out of action for an extended period. Did masses of people head to the woods? Did masses of people start shooting up the wildlife? No on both. It either does not occur to people to be self reliant...they don't know how to be self reliant...or they lack the tools necessary to be self reliant.

How many people have a firearm? How many have a firearm they could actually hunt with? How many are proficient in the use of that firearm and know how to hunt? The answer depends on your location. In Alaska a lot of people per capita know as opposed to those that live in the big apple.

As far as the OP, I think it is a valid plan to discuss things with your neighbors ahead of time. Having a handful (or more) of people in your area on the same sheet of music could take a LOT of load off individuals or small families trying to go it alone.

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The best and perhaps only wayto work through the cooperative dilemma is to establish strong cooperative bonds with your neighbors BEFORE a SHTF scenario. That makes cooperation the natural state of affairs rather than a new arrangement. Plus you already have friendship and trust. This should be much easier in a rural community. Start now.
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Here are some laughs about the concept that community cooperation would work.

There are an estimated 30 million deer in the United States today.

The foregoing was picked up by google search. This works out to 1 deer for every 10 people. How do I come to that? Take 30 million deer and divide them among 300 million people.

. . . each deer provides an average of 22 kg of meat . . Again, google is your friend in obtaining "facts".

So, once again the fantasy of "Bugging out and living off the land" takes a hit from reality.
if SHTF there is not going to be 300 million people.
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At the start there will be,it all depends on the "hit",NBC or social/economic.'08.
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