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Old 10-14-2010, 21:34   #1
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hk or sig sauer

hey guys, i need some help. ive read tons and tons and tons about hks and sigs on the net. and i can not make my mind up as what to buy. so heres the options... hk45 compact or sig sauer p220 carry...


as for the 9mm please choose between the hk p30 or the sig sauer p229 sct. thanks for all the help.
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Old 10-14-2010, 21:56   #2
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From a long term SIG shooter who owns 10 SIG pistols, I say buy the HK P30. Since I got the P30 my SIGs sit in the safe and the only pistol I care to shoot is the P30. Bill
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Old 10-14-2010, 21:57   #3
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I think you're better off with the HK in both cases.

The P30 vs 226SCT:

P30 is going to win out on ergonomics, reliability, durability, plus it's made in Germany. The SCT isn't really better than a regular 226 because while the sights are cool the 4 20 round extended mags you are paying for are now made by checkmate instead of MecGar, and they are pretty crummy. You then end up needing to replace them and you can't get the regular flush fit 18 round MecGars because of the extended magwell. Also, the trigger on the Sig may be a little better, but it's still not the SRT trigger you'd get with the TacOps, Elite, or E2 models (none of which I'd recommend either).

The HK45c vs. 220 carry I can't speak to because I haven't shot a 220 carry but I think most of the same rules apply.

I think the older Sigs especially the 228 and 226 are some of the best pistols out there but their current QC isn't up to par, and HK is top notch.

You may hear comments about HK's customer service but most HK owners have had great experiences with CS in the past couple years and most likely you will never call them.
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Old 10-14-2010, 22:37   #4
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I'd say HK on both counts. I had a 229 and just picked up a P2000 last week (my 2nd HK). The grip is a tad shorter (-2 rounds) than the p30, and $100 cheaper. This will be my EDC. The P30 grip is by far the best feeling polymer pistol available IMHO. I would love to grab a P30L at some point.

Got a chance to fondle a HK45c while I was there. It was absolutely fabulous. Just had a Kobra Carry built that I am paying off, but the HK45c is next on my "to buy" list.

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Old 10-15-2010, 02:45   #5
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I own the the HK45c and like all my other HK's it has been reliable and accurate right out of the gate.
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Old 10-15-2010, 17:02   #6
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I love SIG's but at the prices they seem to be commanding and in light of their apparent QC issues, I would go with an H&K unless you are heavily invested in the SIG system in terms of familiarity and gear. Another way to look at it is that HK 45 and P30 represent lessons learned over the run of the outstanding USP series. I think there is something to be said for buying a pistol which represents an improvement upon a tested design rather than a pistol which to some extent represents an effort to more cheaply produce a tested design.
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Old 10-15-2010, 17:18   #7
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wow, i didnt expect 100 percent of the votes to be on totally one side. i really appreciate all information. I hope there are more votes to come.
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Old 10-15-2010, 17:22   #8
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From a long term SIG shooter who owns 10 SIG pistols, I say buy the HK P30. Since I got the P30 my SIGs sit in the safe and the only pistol I care to shoot is the P30. Bill
what is it about the hk that you like so much better than the sigs?
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Old 10-15-2010, 20:46   #9
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I would go with HK.

I currently own HK USP Compact 40 and a Sig 229 40 and Sig 220 stainless. I shoot and carry the HK more. Next favorites are my Glocks.

HK's customer service and response were far superior than that of Sig Sauer. I had to return a brand new 229 to factory due to poor quality slide. As for HK, I had to order a new slide and it was quick, friendly and received a high quality slide that was perfect in finish and workmanship.
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Old 10-15-2010, 22:36   #10
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cfec2008,

To me the P30 has the light weight and rust resistence of the Glock with the DA/SA trigger pulls like the SIG: best of both worlds. I like the way the P30 is designed/engineered and I see extreme quality in every single part. Light oil/maintenance requirements and no parts need replaced, including the recoil spring, until after 25,000 rounds and that is per HK factory personnel. No worry of rust and heavy grease like the SIGs require. The HK P30 shoots like a dream, dead on reliable, and has ergonomics beyond compair. Bill.

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Old 10-15-2010, 22:46   #11
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To me the P30 has the light weight and rust resistence of the Glock with the DA/SA trigger pulls like the SIG: best of both worlds. I like the way the P30 is designed/engineered and I see extreme quality in every single part. Light oil/maintenance requirements and no parts need replaced, including the recoil spring, until after 25,000 rounds and that is per HK factory personnel. No worry of rust and heavy grease like the SIGs require. The HK P30 shoots like a dream, dead on reliable, and has ergonomics beyound compair. Bill.
all of that sounds great. there going to cost me a little more money, but hopefully its going to be worth it. What is crazy is i posted nearly the same post in the sig sauer forum and no one has replied, unlike this one.
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Old 10-15-2010, 22:48   #12
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Can anyone tell me if the h&ks are ammo picky? and i know the models that are a little older had to use an adapter to install a light or laser...do the newer models still require that or are they standard size like glocks and sigs now?
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:17   #13
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HK's are not ammo picky, but they like to be broken in sometimes with hotter loads. And i would also take the HK's in both examples. I love Sig's, but between the model you mentioned, i like what HK offers better
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:47   #14
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Can anyone tell me if the h&ks are ammo picky? and i know the models that are a little older had to use an adapter to install a light or laser...do the newer models still require that or are they standard size like glocks and sigs now?
In my experience, HK's are not the least bit ammo pickey. My USP's will even feed spent cases off the magazine. However, the use of steel cased ammo is not advised.

The USP/USPc utilizes the HK proprietary rail. This is because the USP was the first pistol to feature an accessory rail and as such when the pistol was designed no factory "standard" rail existed. The later models, such as the P2000, P30, and HK45 all have "standard" rails that will fit most regular light/laser accessories. No adapter required.
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Old 10-16-2010, 15:28   #15
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thanks for the help! I really appreciate it. Now I have to find the dealer with the best price around my area. What is a very good deal on the hk45c?
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Old 10-17-2010, 20:10   #16
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Check on the normal sites-Gunbroker,Auction Arms,etc.. There are some good deals out there right now. I like the HK as well, due to reasons others have already stated: lighter weight, size, less maintenance-especially for a ccw piece. I have had both in the past and enjoyed them equally, but when it comes to hd/ccw, HK has the edge.
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Old 10-19-2010, 13:08   #17
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With some research, you'll find that they're both well built, great handguns.

Find out what fits your hand best.

Guns shopping-in general-is very much like car shopping...in the end, if you sit in it, and you're not comfortable, it doesn't matter how many people recommend it, or how reliable it is.
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Old 10-19-2010, 17:50   #18
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I'd say HK on both counts. I had a 229 and just picked up a P2000 last week (my 2nd HK). The grip is a tad shorter (-2 rounds) than the p30, and $100 cheaper. This will be my EDC. The P30 grip is by far the best feeling polymer pistol available IMHO. I would love to grab a P30L at some point.

Got a chance to fondle a HK45c while I was there. It was absolutely fabulous. Just had a Kobra Carry built that I am paying off, but the HK45c is next on my "to buy" list.
Can you elaborate about P2000 to someone who owns USPc 40?
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Old 10-19-2010, 17:53   #19
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well i held a hk usp 45 today, and it felt kinda wierd, but i guess thats just because im used to a g19 and 21. i have held the sigs also and they didnt feel as awkward, but to me the most important thing of all is if it goes boom every time. and ive seen some sand test with the hk on youtube that didnt turn out well for the hk45 compact or usp compact. and no im not going to be dumping sand on my guns. i have looked up sig torture test and have not found such an extreme test on those yet. so i dont really know how they would react. anyone know?
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Old 10-19-2010, 18:17   #20
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...because while the sights are cool the 4 20 round extended mags you are paying for are now made by checkmate instead of MecGar, and they are pretty crummy. You then end up needing to replace them and you can't get the regular flush fit 18 round MecGars because of the extended magwell.

The P226 SCT doesn't have an extended magwell. The magazine difference is merely the addition of a +2 baseplate (which you can add to any normal Sig mag). Standard 18 round mags will work just fine. I have a P229 SCT, and I notice that the slide will not lock back after the last shot with the extended 14 round mags, but it does with factory 12 round mags. There may be some truth to the Checkmate vs. MecGar quality.

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