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Old 10-30-2010, 20:57   #1
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Reloading Costs and New Ammunition

Has anyone else noticed that your re-loading costs for 9mm are going up for individual bullets, powder, and primers?

While the cost of regular Ammunition (Remington, Winchester, and Federal) are going down in price.

Cost of Reloading 500 = $126.00
Cost of Buying 500 = Remington UMC (50 Pack) $150.00
Winchester $135.00 Sellier & Bellot $140.00 Remington UMC (Bulk) $120.00

Is anyone else out there seeing a drop in the practicality of the recreational re-loader for range and general use? I used to see a 40.00 - 60.00 savings per 500. Now it is 25 - 30 Savings.
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Old 10-30-2010, 21:06   #2
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Dude that sucks. Glad I pay $35 per 1K for my 9mm stuff.
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Old 10-30-2010, 21:43   #5
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I don't even cast and I load 500 rounds for around $60. I'm not sure how you're figuring $126 per 500. My wife has better shopping skills than that.

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Old 10-30-2010, 21:45   #6
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Has anyone else noticed that your re-loading costs for 9mm are going up for individual bullets, powder, and primers?


Cost of Reloading 500 = $126.00
Cost of Buying 500 = Remington UMC (50 Pack) $150.00
Winchester $135.00 Sellier & Bellot $140.00 Remington UMC (Bulk) $120.00
I am paying $110 to 112 per K for 9MM. You are paying more than double that. PD bullets from them, primers local, tightgroup local. the price will go down when I work my way through the primers I bought at $34 a K.
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Old 10-30-2010, 21:50   #7
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I don't find this to be true at all... not in my area anyways.

You appear to be paying way too much IMO for your loading components at $126 for 500 rounds reloaded cost.

I started this thread a couple of weeks ago and alot of people chimed in stating thier current costs.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1277843

I load 9mm FMJ at $107 a thousand, but my last purchase of Wolf primers at $18 got me to break the $100 a K mark. I could save yet another $14 a K by buying Bear Creek 9mm 125 RN moly coated lead bullets from a local distributer in our club. That would get me down to $86 a K.
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Maybe the OP doesn't like to pick up brass, so he's figuring the cost of new brass into his numbers
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Maybe the OP doesn't like to pick up brass, so he's figuring the cost of new brass into his numbers
I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.
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You're paying too much for individual components.
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It costs me $25.00 per five hundred 9mm rounds. I know, I know; but, that's all it costs me.

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Old 10-30-2010, 22:55   #12
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I'de suggest the OP find a new place to buy components. I load a K of 40 cheaper than his 500 9mm. My advice...buy it cheap and stack it deep!
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I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.

This is exactly right. Buying any kind of bulk is gonna save you. Even buying 2K bullets, 5K primers & 4# of powder allows me to load 9mm for right @ $100/1K rounds. I just got primers from Graf's @ $26/1K shipped including the HM fee. So shop a bit better & you can easily beat $126/500.
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OP should try shopping for components as much as he tries shopping at Walmart. My cost per 1000 is way lower than his number. Plus, for me it's about availability. Stock up on component, and you have ammo while the shelves are empty. Wasn't too long ago people were moaning about no ammo on the shelves. You think it won't happen again?
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I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.
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I just think he doesn't take advantage of bulk buying. Even just #4 pounds of powder, 5K in primers and 2K in bullets at a time would get him double his current $126 for 500 in savings costs.
Exactly...

The OP is either paying WAY to much for components, or he's not buying in enough bulk to offset shipping/hazmat charges. I'm running right around 115 per k on 9mm... so there's something not right with what the OP is paying.

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Exactly...

The OP is either paying WAY to much for components, or he's not buying in enough bulk to offset shipping/hazmat charges. I'm running right around 115 per k on 9mm... so there's something not right with what the OP is paying.

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Or, he's putting a dollar value on an hour of their time. Same old argument. If walmart is less expensive for the OP, then by all means, they should get their ammo there.

More components for the rest of us.

However, I have noticed prices coming down though. 100 rounds of Federal 9mm for $20. That puts it at $100/1000. Some interesting deals on 45ACP as well. Of course, that's just the bulk plinking stuff. I'd like to see some of the good SD stuff (Hornady, Speer, Corbon) come down. It's still at crazy prices.

Things got tight, ammo makers ramped up, supply is hitting us, prices come down. It's the way of the world. It will swing the other way eventually. Make your plans now.
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I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.
Maybe he's ordering online in small batches and paying the HazMat on that? Using new brass and Hornady XTP bullets as a comparison to plinking ammo? Factoring a whole pound of powder in the 500 price?

And I will say, my LGS's are still charging hefty primer prices, like $40/1000 for regular small pistol primers! If I hadn't just had a car repair, I would probably buy even 5k online and pay the HM, because it would still be cheaper. Luckily it's gunshow season, so I know I will be able to pick up a couple thousand primers cheaper at one of them.

But to the OP, BUY IN BULK! You'll save a bundle. And shop around. Berry's plated bullets work well in 9mm, and can be found for $70-75 per 1000 with shipping. I don't know you're location, but locally even 4-lb jugs of pistol powder can be had for $80 and will load about 5600 rounds of 9mm, costing $0.014 a round. Primers are a sticking point, but even those can be found cheaper.
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Maybe he's ordering online in small batches and paying the HazMat on that? Using new brass and Hornady XTP bullets as a comparison to plinking ammo? Factoring a whole pound of powder in the 500 price?

And I will say, my LGS's are still charging hefty primer prices, like $40/1000 for regular small pistol primers! If I hadn't just had a car repair, I would probably buy even 5k online and pay the HM, because it would still be cheaper. Luckily it's gunshow season, so I know I will be able to pick up a couple thousand primers cheaper at one of them.

But to the OP, BUY IN BULK! You'll save a bundle. And shop around. Berry's plated bullets work well in 9mm, and can be found for $70-75 per 1000 with shipping. I don't know you're location, but locally even 4-lb jugs of pistol powder can be had for $80 and will load about 5600 rounds of 9mm, costing $0.014 a round. Primers are a sticking point, but even those can be found cheaper.

So he's savy enough to reload and use GTalk, but it never occured to him to use places like Widener's or MidwayUSA?
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So he's savy enough to reload and use GTalk, but it never occured to him to use places like Widener's or MidwayUSA?
Maybe a misplaced decimal or a wrong integer? I think all of our replies suggest he could hit 1000 rounds for $126 (or less) reloaded. That price would compare to 500 rounds of new factory ammo.

Seriously, I spend enough time at work making corrections where people wanted 123 quantity of A and 123 of B but calculated it all on A and got 246. It looks like a mathematical error to me.
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Maybe a misplaced decimal or a wrong integer? I think all of our replies suggest he could hit 1000 rounds for $126 (or less) reloaded. That price would compare to 500 rounds of new factory ammo.

Seriously, I spend enough time at work making corrections where people wanted 123 quantity of A and 123 of B but calculated it all on A and got 246. It looks like a mathematical error to me.
Yes, that could be. Or, he could be a troll trying to start the old "Is it worth it to reload?" argument. It's not quite as virulent as the "Handloads for self defense" or "Glock vs 1911". We get a troll in this sub-forum every few weeks and we are about due. Generally, when a low post count guy comes in for the first time and syas something obviously wrong, and then doesn't follow up, I get a little suspicious. Okay, I get a lot suspicious.
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I don't think the OP has ever reloaded. I'd couldn't spend that much on components if I tried.
Yes you could WT. I've got primers I'll sell you for $120/1K! There, you are half way to $252/1k 9mm ammo.
I think the OP may be making the mistake everyone does, not amortizing their brass cost. Sure, you buy new components evrey time, it's gonna cost you what factory does, maybe more. Reload the case 20X, theamoritized cost is $0.
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However, I have noticed prices coming down though. 100 rounds of Federal 9mm for $20. That puts it at $100/1000. Some interesting deals on 45ACP as well. Of course, that's just the bulk plinking stuff. I'd like to see some of the good SD stuff (Hornady, Speer, Corbon) come down. It's still at crazy prices.
Now I know that is a typo, last time I looked, 100X10was still 1000. At $200/1K, it's still way cheaper to load 9mm.
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If you're paying $126 for 500, I have only one thing to say:
You're doing it wrong.

I'm paying about $140 for ONE THOUSAND rounds, and that's using the more expensive MG 147gr bullet. It would probably be around $125 (less?) if I was loading a 115grainer.

As has been said... you must be buying components locally. The only way to *save* is to buy in bulk online. And by bulk, I mean 10,000 primers in one order. 8 pounds of powder, preferably ordered *with* the primers.

Same with bullets. Yeah, I could buy 1000 Montanta Gold bullets at a time, but you don't see the savings there until you buy a case of them (3000 in my case). More specifically, if I order 1000, it costs $122. So if I ordered 3000 separately (in units of 1000 each time), it would cost me $366. But instead, if I order 3000 AT ONCE, it's only $305. There's $61 in savings right there alone. You MUST do your research, and order in amounts large enough to actually see the savings.

When I calculate my costs, I do include the Hazmat fee, shipping costs, everything.
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$125/1000 for me w/ 115gr Berry's bullets.

$6.25 for a box of 50. Way cheaper than any factory ammo...
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You're paying too much for individual components.
This. I still reload 9mm (FMJ) and .45acp (lead) for under $100/1k.

OP: Remember this phrase: "Bulk buy to save"... 'Bulk buy to save"... "Bulk buy to save"...
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