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Old 11-09-2010, 20:52   #1
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10MM and Lead

I got a bunch of Missouri 180gr lead bullets I want to try in my 10MM. As I just lost my job I would like to use the powders I have on hand and not purchase anything new, at least for now.

I have a bunch of Unique, Red Dot and 2400 that I use in my shotshells. Got any advice or suggestions on using any or all three of these powder in the 10 with 180gr Lead bullets with a BHN of 18?

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Old 11-09-2010, 20:56   #2
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Sorry to hear about your Job. Unique will work. The other might have some data on the net.
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Old 11-09-2010, 22:23   #3
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Ok, straight from my Lyman manual...

175gr 1.26oal
Red Dot 5.5 1087fps 6.2 1194fps
Unique 6.1 1097fps 7.0 1224fps
2400 not listed

This is for a lead bullet #2 alloy.

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Old 11-09-2010, 23:22   #4
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don't load up to many till you know if they are going to lead your barrel. 20 or so should give you a good idea.
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Old 11-10-2010, 01:01   #5
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I run 6.2gr of Unique w/ 175grLRNFP in my 10mm, not a G20 though. It makesabout 1050fps, good plinking load.
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Old 11-10-2010, 05:25   #6
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Thanks everyone, I have the Lyman 48, but it's the only manual I have that lists anything Red Dot and I try and get more than one source. I'll give Unique a try in my DW CBOB.
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Old 11-10-2010, 13:05   #7
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Thanks everyone, I have the Lyman 48, but it's the only manual I have that lists anything Red Dot and I try and get more than one source. I'll give Unique a try in my DW CBOB.
The RD will work, but I wouldn't push the top end loads w/ it. I call RD an uberfast, like BE or TG, etc. Best used in light target loads. If you want to run above 1000fps, go to Unique or better, buy something a bit slower like PowerPistol, Longshot or HS6.
Chin up on the job loss. Wife lost her's the end of 08 & I have been on short hours since. It will get better, but I am afraid not until PBO is out of office. The hole is just too deep.
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Old 11-10-2010, 21:48   #8
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The original "10MM" was loaded with Unique. This was the G&A .40 cal. based on cut-down .224 Wby. brass & a custom Bar-Sto barrel in a much modified Hi-Power.
Yes, it used the belted cases!
If you want, I think I can dig out the original article, not sure if they used a cast bullet or not, they pulled 180 gr JSP from .38-40 ammo to test with.

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Old 11-10-2010, 22:33   #9
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The original "10MM" was loaded with Unique. This was the G&A .40 cal. based on cut-down .224 Wby. brass & a custom Bar-Sto barrel in a much modified Hi-Power.
Yes, it used the belted cases!
If you want, I think I can dig out the original article, not sure if they used a cast bullet or not, they pulled 180 gr JSP from .38-40 ammo to test with.

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Ummm, are you sure about all that? I thought the original 10mm was loaded by Norma, with thier own powder.
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Ummm, are you sure about all that? I thought the original 10mm was loaded by Norma, with thier own powder.
Norma was the first to produce 10mm factory ammo & it was quite warm I the pwoder was not Unique. I am not sure about 224wby thing, I have some old articles some place, but that doesn't sound right. Possible, just doesn't sound right, the 224Wby case wasn't large enough, even if you turned the belt off, but maybe.
Just about every cartridge back in the day got loaded w/ some Unique, but it's certainly not the best for top end loads. Since then, several powders have come to be that are far better for pushing the top end, Norma type loads.
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Old 11-11-2010, 17:56   #11
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The Wby case was used because it approximated the inside diameter needed for the .38-40 bullet (.401"). The belt was left on the brass.
I will find the G&A issue, it's in my library along with just about everything ever written about the 10MM auto.
The old Norma was te first PRODUCTION loaded 10MM, the G&A ctg. was a test wildcat that got phenominal velocities, without looking, I think the top loading was around 12.0 gr of Unique with the 180 gr. from the .38-40.
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Old 11-16-2010, 21:15   #12
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Well. I got a chance to test some 180gr lead in my DW 10MM. I loaded 50 rounds of 6.2-6.3gr of Unique. They shot great and accuracy was excellent (thanks Fred). Took the barrel out and inspected for lead, looked good. Don't know if 50 rounds is enough for an accurate test for lead, but so far so good.

Man were they smokey. I know lubed lead bullets smoke, but this was way more smoke than I get in my 45s with WST. Is it possible that Unique contributes to some of the smoke? Would increasing the charge a little reduce some of the smoke?

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Old 11-16-2010, 21:25   #13
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I have gotten sever leading in 20 rds with key holeing at 10 yds. So your looking pretty good so far. I would just keep testing and keep a eye on it.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:58   #14
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Alliant's website lists using 2400 with a 180-gr Gold Dot

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloade...30&bulletid=42

I've tried 2400 with jacketed 180s in my G29 and while not exceptional it did work. However the charge weight is about 50% higher than the Unique load with the same weight bullet so your Unique will last longer.
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Old 11-17-2010, 15:34   #15
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...Man were they smokey. I know lubed lead bullets smoke, but this was way more smoke than I get in my 45s with WST. Is it possible that Unique contributes to some of the smoke? Would increasing the charge a little reduce some of the smoke?

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I'd bet you didn't get bitten by any skeeters, though, did ya? That's a side benefit for Florida shooting. I shoot a LOT of lead in 9mm over primarily BE or W231. If the wind isn't blowing, it takes a bit longer on the followup shots just to wait for the sight picture to clear.
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You guys don't know what smoke is.

Reloading

Reloading

Reloading

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Jack the first and third pictures looks photo shopped, right hand trigger, left shoulder, middle eye?


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