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Old 11-11-2010, 17:35   #1
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Whats going on? Everywhere I check it has gone up in price in the last week. Manventure went up $20. today. Also just to get one setup with a case feeder you either pay through the nose or order from several sites. Several places have it listed as more than a Dillon 650. My local sportsman price went up $50 in the last month.
Has the bullet feeder really caused enough demand for the price increase in existing products?
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Kinda like the number one hooker... quality is always in demand.


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What was the price on manventure before?
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Old 11-11-2010, 19:14   #5
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What was the price on manventure before?
old $369
current $386.23
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Kinda like the number one hooker... quality is always in demand.
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True... kinda negates the whole "Blue machines are overpriced" view doesn't it?
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True... kinda negates the whole "Blue machines are overpriced" view doesn't it?
The press just went up $17

Lets wait and see what the blue stuff does the first of the year ?



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True... kinda negates the whole "Blue machines are overpriced" view doesn't it?

Dear Sir: (That's you BG... I'm used to writing fiction)

Your implied hypothesis has been taken under careful consideration and it has been determined that the answer is dictated by which side of economic theory one leans to.

It could be argued, and quite convincingly I might point out, that a product in demand, given a finite production capability, will by virtue morph into a product in short supply. If demand remains constant, or increases, the perceived value to the end consumer of said product increases proportionally hence an increase in retail price.

The contrary position would be that some people simply have no idea what they are doing. Those people are referred to as Democrats.

I sincerely hope this elementary lesson in capitalism has left you sufficiently enlightened.

(Personally I like the hooker analogy better... even I can understand that.)


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Man, this is getting to be no fun anymore... it's like fishing in a barrel, with my shotgun!


$17 is roughly 6-7%... I expect Dillon will follow suit... of course with the bullet promo ending that negates value to a degree...my point is what I have stated in the past, the LNL is a great machine... no doubt... just the whole it's cheaper too... always kills the arguement in comparison is all. I feel for me in the past that it has had limitations that the price does not negate.
I always said that eventually as it gained strength in market share, the price would go up.
Let's remember here folks, Horandy can afford to give up profits in comparison to Dillon for marketing purposes of the reloading line. They have a significant sister corporation that finances them until they can get that chunk of the market... they sell bullets.
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The biggest advantage of the LNL over the 650 is the cost of caliber changes. Even without dies its close to $71 less a caliber.


lnl shell plate 30 bushings 10 total $40
650 caliber conversion 76 tool head 25 powder funnel 10 total $111
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The biggest advantage of the LNL over the 650 is the cost of caliber changes. Even without dies its close to $71 less a caliber.


lnl shell plate 30 bushings 10 total $40
650 caliber conversion 76 tool head 25 powder funnel 10 total $111
The specific powder funnel comes with a XL650 conversion... Yes your right, it's cheaper in most cases because the XL650 conversion comes with all the caliber specific parts for the casefeeder too. However, something I recently discovered is that there are several XL650 conversions that with the exception of one or two parts are pretty much the same as others.

For example: I was looking to get a .380 Auto conversion and found the .223 conversion to be the same with the exception of one $3 part (casefeeder slider arm bushing) and that I would have to use my 9mm powder funnel.
I will be going ahead and buying the .223 even though I won't be loading that for a while.
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The biggest advantage of the LNL over the 650 is the cost of caliber changes. Even without dies its close to $71 less a caliber.


lnl shell plate 30 bushings 10 total $40
650 caliber conversion 76 tool head 25 powder funnel 10 total $111
This is the biggest advantage of the LNL, over the XL650.

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Actually, the biggest advantage over the 650 is that the primer magazine is not prone to detonation. Oh, and the powder measure is the best available.
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Actually, the biggest advantage over the 650 is that the primer magazine is not prone to detonation. Oh, and the powder measure is the best available.
Look not to start a debate but being that you mentioned it... can you elaborate on these points you have mentioned?
I'm particularly interested in the powder drop, how is it considered better? I hear that the powder drop flare is something other to be desired and that a aftermarket PTX??? is the only way to go. Is that true?
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Whats going on? Everywhere I check it has gone up in price in the last week. Manventure went up $20. today. Also just to get one setup with a case feeder you either pay through the nose or order from several sites. Several places have it listed as more than a Dillon 650. My local sportsman price went up $50 in the last month.
Has the bullet feeder really caused enough demand for the price increase in existing products?
Could be the upcoming holidays as well. You might see some price drops afterwards. Bite the reload, pull the trigger and do it now.
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Actually, the biggest advantage over the 650 is that the primer magazine is not prone to detonation. Oh, and the powder measure is the best available.
I'd like to hear more about these Dillon "issues" as well. I've not heard of ANY "detonation" issues with their primer setups.

And I'm hard pressed to believe there's a better powder delivery system than Dillon. My 550B has been rock solid. I don't even check it any more. Just tap it and throw 10 before I get started, and it's dead on. And with the UniqueTek Micrometer Powder Bar installed, it's fairly easy to "move" amongst various settings. I've heard the same from pretty much every other Dillon user, as long as they're not using a powder which doesn't meter well from any powder measure.
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I'd like to hear more about these Dillon "issues" as well. I've not heard of ANY "detonation" issues with their primer setups.

And I'm hard pressed to believe there's a better powder delivery system than Dillon. My 550B has been rock solid. I don't even check it any more. Just tap it and throw 10 before I get started, and it's dead on. And with the UniqueTek Micrometer Powder Bar installed, it's fairly easy to "move" amongst various settings. I've heard the same from pretty much every other Dillon user, as long as they're not using a powder which doesn't meter well from any powder measure.
The 550 and 650 have very different priming systems. I've read about a few 650 primer detonations (not really enough to convince me there's a widespread problem though).... I honestly can't ever remember reading about one on a 550.

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I'd like to hear more about these Dillon "issues" as well. I've not heard of ANY "detonation" issues with their primer setups.

And I'm hard pressed to believe there's a better powder delivery system than Dillon. My 550B has been rock solid. I don't even check it any more. Just tap it and throw 10 before I get started, and it's dead on. And with the UniqueTek Micrometer Powder Bar installed, it's fairly easy to "move" amongst various settings. I've heard the same from pretty much every other Dillon user, as long as they're not using a powder which doesn't meter well from any powder measure.
I agree. All powders are different, and I had problem with Hornady powder dump with fine flake powders (Bullsye in particular). It would get between the dump body and the metering rotor, then gum up and have to be cleaned. Again, all powders are different, and I've had zero problems with the Dillon powder dump. I'm sure it works better with some powders than it does with others; same as the Hornady. However, there are probably 5-10 times as many Dillon dumps doing their job than Hornady dumps.

The primer operation is different; but still basically the same. A shuttle (Dillon) or swinging arm (Hornady) picks the primer from a primer tube that is filled from a primer filler tube. They both prime on the downstroke of the ram. Hornady and Dillon both anticipated primer detonation (unlike Lee) and built safety features to address the issue (again unlike Lee).

What I like about the Hornady (though not enough to buy it), is that the primer tube is further away from the operator. On the Hornady, there is a press between me and the primers; unlike the 550b, where they are front and center. I think that makes the Hornady a mite bit safer from a primer detonation point of view.

On the other hand, safe operation should make primer detonation an non issue. I suspect primer detonations tend to happen to ham fisted loaders who don't load smoothly, and force things rather than fix things.
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I agree. All powders are different, and I had problem with Hornady powder dump with fine flake powders (Bullsye in particular). It would get between the dump body and the metering rotor, then gum up and have to be cleaned. Again, all powders are different, and I've had zero problems with the Dillon powder dump. I'm sure it works better with some powders than it does with others; same as the Hornady. However, there are probably 5-10 times as many Dillon dumps doing their job than Hornady dumps.

The primer operation is different; but still basically the same. A shuttle (Dillon) or swinging arm (Hornady) picks the primer from a primer tube that is filled from a primer filler tube. They both prime on the downstroke of the ram. Hornady and Dillon both anticipated primer detonation (unlike Lee) and built safety features to address the issue (again unlike Lee).

What I like about the Hornady (though not enough to buy it), is that the primer tube is further away from the operator. On the Hornady, there is a press between me and the primers; unlike the 550b, where they are front and center. I think that makes the Hornady a mite bit safer from a primer detonation point of view.

On the other hand, safe operation should make primer detonation an non issue. I suspect primer detonations tend to happen to ham fisted loaders who don't load smoothly, and force things rather than fix things.
Watz you talkin about, a swinging arm ?
The LNL has a primer shuttle or slide.



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