Glock 19 and 21 Range Problems

glock30sfuser · 12-09-2010, 17:55

I have been reloading for a couple years now but after graduating college I have went all out. I load on a Hornady LNL Press, Use CCI Primers and Precision delta 124 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45. I currently own a Glock 19 and recently purchased a glock 21. When I was at the range last weekend a couple times the glock 21 would eject the next to last .45 shell after shot, load the last round but fail to reset the trigger and the 9mm did it a bit more frequently with just the last round also. I was hoping I could be directed to a proper forum for this if it isnt reloading associated but if it is I didnt want to continue reloading until the problem is fixed. Let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you!

WiskyT · 12-09-2010, 18:26

If the slide cycled far enough to feed a round from the mag, the trigger should reset. I can't see how it wouldn't. For you to have basically an impossible situation occur in two different guns, is incredible.

fredj338 · 12-09-2010, 18:29

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Originally Posted by WiskyT

If the slide cycled far enough to feed a round from the mag, the trigger should reset. I can't see how it wouldn't. For you to have basically an impossible situation occur in two different guns, is incredible.

I have to agree, don't see how this could happen. Does it do it w/ factory ammo? I always like to benchmark a gun w/ known factory ammo before working up reloads. So, wha ti sthe load you are using, just so we have more info to work with?

CitizenOfDreams · 12-09-2010, 18:43

So it loaded the round, went all the way into battery, but failed to reset the trigger? How is that even possible, unless there is something wrong with the trigger itself? It normally takes no more than 1/2" of the slide movement to reset the trigger.

Is your trigger aftermarket or modified in any way? "Twenty five hundredth of a cent trigger job"?

glock30sfuser · 12-09-2010, 18:52

That is what I am saying. I have no trigger modifications and both glocks are stock. The trigger failed to reset on the last round as I did a quick field strip when I felt the trigger fail to reset to make sure it wasnt a squib round. Am I remembering this wrong?

Boxerglocker · 12-09-2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by glock30sfuser

I have been reloading for a couple years now but after graduating college I have went all out. I load on a Hornady LNL Press, Use CCI Primers and Precision delta 124 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45. I currently own a Glock 19 and recently purchased a glock 21. When I was at the range last weekend a couple times the glock 21 would eject the next to last .45 shell after shot, load the last round but fail to reset the trigger and the 9mm did it a bit more frequently with just the last round also. I was hoping I could be directed to a proper forum for this if it isnt reloading associated but if it is I didnt want to continue reloading until the problem is fixed. Let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you!

How soft are those loads you are shooting? What PF? Are they hot, middle or upper range for the powder you are using?

Colorado4Wheel · 12-09-2010, 19:09

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Originally Posted by glock30sfuser

I have been reloading for a couple years now but after graduating college I have went all out. I load on a Hornady LNL Press, Use CCI Primers and Precision delta 124 gr for 9mm and 230 gr for .45. I currently own a Glock 19 and recently purchased a glock 21. When I was at the range last weekend a couple times the glock 21 would eject the next to last .45 shell after shot, load the last round but fail to reset the trigger and the 9mm did it a bit more frequently with just the last round also. I was hoping I could be directed to a proper forum for this if it isnt reloading associated but if it is I didnt want to continue reloading until the problem is fixed. Let me know if there are any questions I can answer for you!

The guns not reseting seems very, very unlikely in two guns at the same time. To me it seems perhaps they were both out of battery a small amount and would not fire. That seems more likely.

ANeat · 12-09-2010, 19:28

I would be curious to hear the load in each gun as well.

Boxerglocker · 12-09-2010, 19:52

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Originally Posted by ANeat

I would be curious to hear the load in each gun as well.

Sounds like it possibly could be underpowered loads to me. I had an issue with my EMP9 when I first got it. Fired fine with the entire mag (130PF loads for my G34), but when it loaded the last round it failed to reset the trigger though and thus the hammer wouldn't lock back or would but failed to lock the slide back. It only happend a couple of times but after I bumped the load up never again.

GioaJack · 12-09-2010, 19:55

Buy a 1911.

Jack

squirreld · 12-09-2010, 20:08

What exactly do you mean when you say "reset?"

EL_NinO619 · 12-09-2010, 20:44

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Originally Posted by GioaJack

Buy a 1911.

Jack

Amen. Or a XD. Glocks or are mall ninjas. But can't wait to find out the problem on this one.

glock30sfuser · 12-09-2010, 20:52

The loads are downstairs but both use W231 and the .45 uses 5.5 gr and the 9mm uses 4.6 I think. The OAL for the .45 is 1.165 and the 9mm is 1.135 im pretty sure I will have to double check for sure tomorrow. When you say the slide was out of battery just a little what exactly are you saying?

TACC GLOCK · 12-09-2010, 20:59

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Originally Posted by WiskyT

If the slide cycled far enough to feed a round from the mag, the trigger should reset. I can't see how it wouldn't. For you to have basically an impossible situation occur in two different guns, is incredible.

I agree with you on this also.

I am staying tuned for this explanation to learn a little bit.

njl · 12-09-2010, 21:05

Both guns have broken trigger springs? You only have to pull the slide back about half an inch to rest the trigger...so if it ejected and fed a round, it went more than far enough back to reset the trigger.

GioaJack · 12-09-2010, 21:15

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Originally Posted by glock30sfuser

The loads are downstairs but both use W231 and the .45 uses 5.5 gr and the 9mm uses 4.6 I think. The OAL for the .45 is 1.165 and the 9mm is 1.135 im pretty sure I will have to double check for sure tomorrow. When you say the slide was out of battery just a little what exactly are you saying?

When 'in battery' the slide is all the way forward with the bolt face in its closest position to the barrel.

When 'out of battery' the slide is rearward with the bolt face back and away from the barrel.

Out of battery may be very slight as when a long round impacts against the lands or fully back as when lock after the last shot from the magazine.

Jack

MrVvrroomm · 12-09-2010, 22:55

Barring trigger mods/problems, there is no way an empty case could eject and not reset the trigger.

fredj338 · 12-10-2010, 00:03

AN out of battery would still reset the trigger. Take the VERY EMPTY gun, remove the mag, rack the slide & pull the trigger. Now hold the trigger bacl, pull the slide about 1/2" to the rear & you will feel the trigger move forward, that is the reset. It must do that to fire.
So again, does it do this w/ factory ammo? Get a box of factory ammo, load 2 rds in EACH mag & fire them, see if the trigger resets & the slide locks back. If it is feeding the last round, it has to reset the trigger or the trigger is broken. It may be possible you are holding the trigger to the rear & not allowing it to reset, bit I doubt that, but it is possible.

chris in va · 12-10-2010, 00:18

Tried using the barrel(s) as a case gauge? With it out of the gun, drop the finished rounds into the chamber and see if the rim is flush with the top of the barrel. If it's above that level, the gun is probably out of battery.

What mags are you using? Factory from Austria?

Postal Bob · 12-16-2010, 21:30

I use the same bullets in 9mm, but my oal is 1.150". So with your shorter oal, the rounds are not too long. Could you possibly have a buildup of powder fouling in or around the chamber, or even in the trigger housing and connector that would cause the gun not to compleately go into battery? Like was stated by others, it only takes a 1/2" of slide movement to reset the trigger. Also, are your primers seated in enough, and not raise up a little.? Start by taking the gun apart compleately and give a good cleaning. Then check your reloads for any burrs or edges on the front edge. Make sure your primers are well seated. And try some factory ammo to see if it happens with that also.

wiskeyVI · 12-17-2010, 04:58

I had the same issues for
A bit with my 45s.
I turned out to OAL was to long.
It would just barley stay out of battery.