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Old 01-24-2011, 06:04   #41
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I have something else to throw in the mix. Try your Air National Guard. You can get the exact field of training you want (bear in mind that its limited compared to the regular AF) live in your home area and go to school at the same time, and depending on your state they may pay your part of the GI Bill. Something else to think about. Many of the ex-Active duty that have come into my unit say they wish they had know about the Guard.
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Old 01-24-2011, 11:41   #42
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I did 20 years myself. First 10 were in Maint. and the second 10 were flying. There is nothing in common, its like the flyers are in a different military. There are only 2% of the enlisted force that fly. Very small group and pretty tight. As a flight Engineer I crewed AWACS for 3 then finished on "Big Sexy" the KC10. My only regret was not cross-training at 4 years instead of 10. You work with officers all day and you are a respected part of the crew, heck, the pilot and co-pilot could not even taxi the plane without me. But the pilot and I could taxi it without the co-pilot. I loved the job and agree with others on this thread, if you go air Force fly. If you don't fly you just support those how do. YMMV Good luck.
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Old 01-24-2011, 18:06   #43
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Go into fire protection.

Seriously, after basic, you'll train to be a fireman and get to learn alot,including everything that is available out in the civilian world and then some.You can go right from your fireman job right into any civie firestation and get a job.

The training is tough,but interesting as hell.You'll get alot of respect too.
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Old 01-24-2011, 18:34   #44
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What does a loadmaster do?
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Old 01-24-2011, 18:43   #45
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What does a loadmaster do?
On cargo aircraft a loadmaster is responsible for the proper loading/
unloading of cargo and passengers.

And other related duties in the cargo bay.

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Old 01-26-2011, 23:13   #46
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On cargo aircraft a loadmaster is responsible for the proper loading/
unloading of cargo and passengers.

And other related duties in the cargo bay.
This might help a bit too.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airfo...afjob1a2x1.htm
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Old 01-29-2011, 15:56   #47
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Mostly good advise here. I would however not recommend Security Forces. The level of B.S. you have to endure is not really worth it vs. many other AFSCs.
The only positive side I can see is the fact that you can be stationed at nearly every AF station or base. Talk to Mr. Murphy and other prior USAF SF guys before signing up for that.
I am biased, but like others have said, Aircrew is where it's at if you can qualify.
As for PJ, CCT, SERE, and others, don't even apply if you think you won't make it.
Check my post #29 and #36. I was SF and there is also more positive than you say. It is hard to see when your not in the field. There are those with good and bad experiences like many jobs. Its what you take from it like any job. I have limited knowledge on Aircrew so I can't say too much about that field but there is b-ll s--t in any job.

Having friends in other AFSC's they have all complained/b-t-hed about their job and also said there's was the best except the people who got stuck on latrine duty while in certain threat levels overseas and the TCN's were not allowed on base .

If you are lucky enough to go through a full week of TAPS briefings and learn all the resume writing and how to transfer your military skills into a civilian world that helps a lot. When I got out my SF experience landed me management and HR jobs, because there are other jobs in SF, like admin, training, budgeting, reports and analysis, mobility and more sections that give you skills as well.

The SF can give you several god skills even if you stay on the road on n the field, report writing helps with ms word, squadron email helped me with ms outlook, searching vehicles helped me be more thorough with things, knowing state and military laws help if you go into a legal field, and much more. I'm sure Aircrew has many skills that can be correlated into the civilian world that you may have thought of.
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There's another member of GT going into the Air Force. What I posted was that I was never in the military. But the advice given to be to pass on to a buddy was;

Never volunteer for anything.

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Old 01-29-2011, 21:12   #49
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There's another member of GT going into the Air Force. What I posted was that I was never in the military. But the advice given to be to pass on to a buddy was;

Never volunteer for anything.

Never smile
I'm assuming this was advise for basic training?
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Old 01-30-2011, 10:54   #50
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Mostly good advise here. I would however not recommend Security Forces. The level of B.S. you have to endure is not really worth it vs. many other AFSCs.
The only positive side I can see is the fact that you can be stationed at nearly every AF station or base. Talk to Mr. Murphy and other prior USAF SF guys before signing up for that.
I am biased, but like others have said, Aircrew is where it's at if you can qualify.
As for PJ, CCT, SERE, and others, don't even apply if you think you won't make it.
+1000

I spent over 20 years active and ANG Security Forces. There are good people there however as a whole Security Forces is misdirected. Other than the few good folks most are way past self confident into the arrogant catagory. I have worked for local LE and now the FEDS and most SF are not really ready to work civilian LE. It is a big adjustment. And Most way inflate their experence and stories!
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I spent over 20 years active and ANG Security Forces. There are good people there however as a whole Security Forces is misdirected. Other than the few good folks most are way past self confident into the arrogant catagory. I have worked for local LE and now the FEDS and most SF are not really ready to work civilian LE. It is a big adjustment. And Most way inflate their experence and stories!
I agree with the big adjustment because on a military installation you don't get nearly the experience in situations or training that a local LE would on a everyday basis. The arrogance and inflating of their experiences is also present and especially those who have back office most of their term.

I had a SMSgt that was the ops superintendent that never saw flight (flight is a term for unit/team/element/ like Alpha flight or day, swings, mids shifts) after his SrA promotion but he acted like he knew more than a reservist SF who was a civilian Lead Detective that was a lower USAF rank but had 10 years of local detective and 5 years of regular patrol experience in a medium sized city. The SMSgt also said that the detectives' police skills needed to be more like his. What a joke.

SF in general will give you some prep not all for civilian academies as my old unit has had several people go through the SF academy then later get hired on to a local LE. And if I didn't decide to change career paths I'd be a local LE. Sometimes SF gets a bad rap and its warranted and sometimes its not. Like all jobs taking the good with the bad.

Being in HR now, I hear all kinds of things about former military jobs that don't quite transition over. Like a USAF dental tech that couldn't get a job cleaning teeth at a local dentist office unless they got their civilian certification despite having 8 years of cleaning experience. Say what you will about military medical and understanding state requirements but they didn't even offer any form internship or apprentice or anything aside from get the cert and "maybe" we'll consider you. I remember a refueler/ARS who the airlines wouldn't hire for that same position but got a TSA job with the airport. How does a well qualified and experienced Air Refueling Squadron TSgt only get a TSA job and all this was before the economy crashed.
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Old 01-30-2011, 21:03   #52
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I would not go the SF route, but you do what you want to do. Every E-4 and below and some E-5's all tell me that want to reclass and finish thier 20 years elsewhere.... A lot will depend on your squadron, but i would say find another job.
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The other thing on the Security Forces side is weekends off are few and far between. And when the whole base has a down day for a base family day/cookout or hoiliday off. . You are stuck working a gateshack standing in the rain, snow etc etc etc. And don't count on getting relieved for a sit down if you are lucky you will get an ice cold styrofoam box with leftovers hours after it's over. If you are on a nuclear base you will be stuck working more when some gump(it's the same 10-20% of the people and they keep them around for some reason) goes off PRP and can't post.

As the saying goes work smarter not harder.

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Congrats and you picked well. 3 years Army here.

I would pick a technical job so when it comes time to get out of the military I could have a skill that transfers to the civilian world and hopefully one that pays well.

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i turned 23 my first week at lackland basic training back in 1982. Did four years refueling planes. No regrets, met pres. Reagan had plenty of good times mainly because i stayed single !!!! Don't get hung up on this bit of "i have to have a job that relates to the civilian world when i get out stuff" that's years away and who knows what you'll be interested in doing for a living then. Stay away from the dope guys, keep alcohol to a min, and keep a positive attitude and you'll enjoy your time. Remember that 100 years from now there will be records of your military service for your great-grandkids to read so behave yourself.

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Go into fire protection.

Seriously, after basic, you'll train to be a fireman and get to learn alot,including everything that is available out in the civilian world and then some.You can go right from your fireman job right into any civie firestation and get a job.

The training is tough,but interesting as hell.You'll get alot of respect too.
??? FD??? I know alot of Fire Fighters. Some cool, some not. Like all jobs. But get alot of respect? I actually just deployed with a bunch of Fire Fighters. Got back a week ago. You guys are kinda like a cult! It was fun though.
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Old 02-11-2011, 20:56   #58
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Isn't Security Forces guarding a missal silo in South Dakota at -35 degrees?

We dont have silos up here anymore and its only gotten to -25 so far this yr! After the temp hits zero you don't feel any colder....on the bright side you'll end up wearing shorts when it hit +32, 3 days later!
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make for damn sure you read all the paper work and that your job is guaranteed. never go in open general! also know if you wash out or get tossed out of you career field they will throw you where ever they need you. i wish you the best.
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make for damn sure you read all the paper work and that your job is guaranteed. never go in open general! also know if you wash out or get tossed out of you career field they will throw you where ever they need you. i wish you the best.

I asked for Security Police/Forces but later I was tricked into open general and could have ended up doing a services job like work at the gym handing out towels like on of our LT's did when he washed out of SF or any other job I didn't like. Read you paperwork. If they can't guarantee you a job that is usually incorrect as I learned from the superintendent at MEPS. In my case I met with a personal specialist at Lackland AFB during basic and got my SF job. He understood that I got "hood winked" and I got my SF gig.

I'm sure there are many people who can share a "hood winked" by the recruiter story. For me in the end it worked out, many thanks to my Lord in Heaven.

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