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Old 01-10-2011, 20:45   #1
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Looking for info from you 1911 experts!

My friend actually bought one of those abandoned storage rental units like you see on the new TV shows...and low and behold, there were two guns in it! One was a .357 revolver that he is keeping...and the other is an Auto Ordnance Thompson 1911. It isn't full sized, but not sub compact either. I don't know the year or anything else about it. Are the Auto Ordnance's from the Thompson era total pieces of crap? I have read that they were not good, until Kahr started making them...and even then, it isn't great. What are your opinions?

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Old 01-10-2011, 20:54   #2
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Don't know about AutoOrds, but given the circumstances, I'd run the serial number through the local P.D. to make sure the thing doesn't have a "history".

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Old 01-11-2011, 02:51   #3
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The Thompson era is still on and the guns have improved quite a bit over the last 5-10 years.

Kahr owns them nowadays.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:06   #4
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Don't know about AutoOrds, but given the circumstances, I'd run the serial number through the local P.D. to make sure the thing doesn't a "history".
He already did that, they are clear.
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Old 01-11-2011, 07:06   #5
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The Thompson era is still on and the guns have improved quite a bit over the last 5-10 years.

Kahr owns them nowadays.
If it is older than 10 years, would you stay away from it?
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:13   #6
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If it is older than 10 years, would you stay away from it?
Tell him not to worry about it and shoot it. If he has access to a smith, tell him to have it inspected if it will make him feel better. The 1911 design is one of the easiest to repair and customize and other than a damaged frame, slide or barrel, the parts are generally inexpensive and very easy to find.

Most people are afraid to even take one apart let alone fix anything. Really, they are not that complicated.
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I would not be afraid to shoot it. AO 1911s can be hit or miss depending on when they were made. I have one that is several years old and it shoots like a champ. Like someone suggested, have a competent gunsmith check it out if there is any doubt.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:49   #9
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He's bringing it over in a little while...I'll see if I can get some pics
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Old 01-11-2011, 11:58   #10
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Sounds like a Commander model. I would shoot it and enjoy it. You won't get a lot of cash for it, but if it runs well then you have a decent blaster. I agree that a gunsmith or someone very competent in 1911s should give it a once over before you shoot it just to be safe. If it's been abused or sitting for a long while with a dirty bore there may be a few issues..
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Ok, here are some pics of his gun. It has a DeSantis shoulder holster that came with it. Also, he found in another box, the .22 conversion kit for it! It doesn't look like it has ever been used (the conversion kit I mean). I can't seem to find any info about the Auto Ordnance "General" which this apparently is. It has "General" on the side of the slide with two stars on either side. What do you guys think this is worth? What about the conversion kit?
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I know the Auto Ordnance Pitbull that I had was pretty much junk. They tried to copy the then new Colt Officer's ACP but without much success. The one and only time I shot the pistol the tab on the main spring retainer(thing that goes under the barrel bushing) broke and I shot it and the main spring out over the desert.

The one you have looks like a Commander size gun so the barrel bushing set up should be more standard so you'd not have the same problems. I guess if it looks in order and everything I'd put a few rounds down range to see how it was going to shoot then go from there as to weather you keep it or sell it.
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Looks like a comander size. A gunsmith I know used to use Auto-Ord. frames to build custom guns on. They worked well for him. That was about 10-15 years ago. Another friend of mine has a full size that has a few thousand rounds thru it with no major breakdowns. I think for the money they are a decent pistol. If I got one like he did I would have a good smith look it over and definitely keep it. But I'm a 1911 junkie!
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I just stopped at the range quick and put two magazines through it on my way to the store. It had 1 fail to feed. No idea how old my ACP ammo is...but the rest of it worked fine. VERY light trigger...I wasn't expecting that!
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I just stopped at the range quick and put two magazines through it on my way to the store. It had 1 fail to feed. No idea how old my ACP ammo is...but the rest of it worked fine. VERY light trigger...I wasn't expecting that!
If he would like to sell it, it looks like a nice vintage piece that I would love to have it as part of my 1911 collection.

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If you would like to sell it, it looks like a nice vintage piece that I would love to have it as part of my 1911 collection.

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It's my friends gun...I might buy it though. What do you think is a good price for the whole deal - .22 conversion and shoulder holster included?
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I know the Auto Ordnance Pitbull that I had was pretty much junk. They tried to copy the then new Colt Officer's ACP but without much success. The one and only time I shot the pistol the tab on the main spring retainer(thing that goes under the barrel bushing) broke and I shot it and the main spring out over the desert.
Thats strange, all of my 1911's have the mainspring contained in the mainspring housing, part of the grip, no where near the barrel bushing. Do you have a pic of this model that you had?
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It's my friends gun...I might buy it though. What do you think is a good price for the whole deal - .22 conversion and shoulder holster included?
.22 conversion kit, about $125
DeSantis shoulder holster, about $30
Auto Ordnance, I was prepared to offer $300

I would really like to have this pistol, but I would understand if you bought it.
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Does not look like a vintage model, did a search on google but the only pic that comes out with info is in french?
http://www.pooshka.com/gun-value.php?poo_model_id=799

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Thats strange, all of my 1911's have the mainspring contained in the mainspring housing, part of the grip, no where near the barrel bushing. Do you have a pic of this model that you had?
You know dang well which spring I'm talking about.

I guess it's the recoil spring then, it's the one that keeps the slide in battery until the gun is shot. I think of the main spring as the Hammer spring since it's function is to put tension on the hammer. Anyway, there's a little tab that breaks off and the entire spring/plunger group can fly out of the end of the slide once that happens. Totally different idea then Cold had in the Officer's ACP, which actually did work out ok.
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$455 for the whole shootin' match?!?!?
Hell yeah...
Either scrap the guts and build you a custom, or leave it as is for a plinker, for that price, you can't go wrong.....
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the package is worth more than that
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the package is worth more than that
He hasn't given me a quote yet as to what he wants for it...but he has hinted that it will be a lot less than $450. He paid $250 for the abandoned storage unit...just like you see on the TV show. Inside was a fairly new snowblower, a keg-erator, some real gold jewelry, this 1911 and a full sized S&W .357 revolver!
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