charles daly m4

jono446 · 01-10-2011, 20:58

Hey guys i'm in the market for an AR and it will be my first, I do not have alot of experience with them but my gun shop has a charles daly for about $850 and an M&P 15 for about 950 but the smith had no iron sights. I didn't know since charles daly is defunct now if I had a problem with the rifle if I'd just be out of luck or if i'd be covered. I plan on putting an optic on it but would like the iron sights also, which strays me away from the smith. Sorry if this is long winded but it's a big chunk of change for me and want to get my money worth, so is the charles daly a good rifle or should I pop another $100 and get the smith. Thanks for the help guys.

***RMTactical*** · 01-10-2011, 22:20

Depends. Daly made some good ones and they made some not as high quality AR15's. I think I would go with the Smith.

mixflip · 01-11-2011, 01:12

Whoa, I didnt even know Charles Daly even made M4's? With the plethora of quality AR's out there at our disposal...its tough to justify a gamble on the lesser known makers just to save a few bucks? I'd personally get the S&W. Thats my vote.

***RMTactical*** · 01-11-2011, 01:19

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Originally Posted by mixflip

Whoa, I didnt even know Charles Daly even made M4's? With the plethora of quality AR's out there at our disposal...its tough to justify a gamble on the lesser known makers just to save a few bucks? I'd personally get the S&W. Thats my vote.

Where you been? CD even made "the chart" until they closed shop...

mixflip · 01-11-2011, 01:21

I dont remember seeing CD on the infamous chart? Man I need glasses lol.

How did CD make it on the chart and Spikes didnt?

***RMTactical*** · 01-11-2011, 01:27

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I dont remember seeing CD on the infamous chart? Man I need glasses lol.

How did CD make it on the chart and Spikes didnt?

CD was making at one point something that was very close to a Colt quality AR15, as well as something that was closer to a Stag. I don't recall exactly what the designations were, but they made a distinction between their higher quality AR and their lower quality AR. I think the higher quality one was the "LE" version or something, IIRC...

***12131*** · 01-11-2011, 01:35

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I dont remember seeing CD on the infamous chart? Man I need glasses lol.

How did CD make it on the chart and Spikes didnt?

Because you spent too much time reading on piston ARs. That's why.

Seriously, what RMT said.

mixflip · 01-11-2011, 01:51

^ lol, good one. Yeah I can admit it. I like piston AR's.

K. Foster · 01-11-2011, 06:48

Between those two, I recommend the Smith, hands down. But I suggest you do more research before you buy.

K. Foster · 01-11-2011, 06:54

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I dont remember seeing CD on the infamous chart? Man I need glasses lol.

How did CD make it on the chart and Spikes didnt?

At the time, CD was a sponsor of M4C.

boomhower · 01-11-2011, 09:32

I would go with the Smith. I wouldn't buy a new rifle from a company that was no longer in business.

Captains1911 · 01-11-2011, 09:57

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Originally Posted by K. Foster

Between those two, I recommend the Smith, hands down. But I suggest you do more research before you buy.

This.

***mvician*** · 01-11-2011, 10:30

If it was the CD M4LE model I would take that one over the M&P.

ghostman1960 · 01-13-2011, 06:34

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Originally Posted by mixflip

I dont remember seeing CD on the infamous chart? Man I need glasses lol.

How did CD make it on the chart and Spikes didnt?

Its on there, or was anyway. I know because I got into an argument with the author when I asked him why CD was on it as they were defunct and Spikes was not. That turned out to be a pretty colorful thread.

youngAR · 01-13-2011, 10:29

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Originally Posted by mvician

If it was the CD M4LE model I would take that one over the M&P.

Yep. Or look at Spikes Tactical.

mjkeat · 01-13-2011, 10:42

Or a BCM

jono446 · 01-13-2011, 12:35

Ok so the general idea is to stay away from the CD I think i'll get the m&p and call it good I guess, thanks for the help guys.

mjkeat · 01-13-2011, 13:46

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Originally Posted by jono446

Ok so the general idea is to stay away from the CD I think i'll get the m&p and call it good I guess, thanks for the help guys.

You can do much better than the S&W for less money.

***mvician*** · 01-13-2011, 13:50

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Originally Posted by mjkeat

You can do much better than the S&W for less money.

nobody listens, they just want to go to the store and pick what's on the shelf.

zhix · 01-13-2011, 13:54

$950 is high for an "optics ready" model with no iron sights. For about $100-$150 more you could get a Colt, or for under $800 you could get a Stag. (those prices don't include tax)

mikekjg · 01-13-2011, 14:46

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Originally Posted by mvician

nobody listens, they just want to go to the store and pick what's on the shelf.

I think this is the root of the matter. There are a TON of threads about this and some people just won't listen because it's not in their local shop.

ETA: I second mjkeat; look at BCM. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

mjkeat · 01-13-2011, 16:26

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Originally Posted by mvician

nobody listens, they just want to go to the store and pick what's on the shelf.

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Originally Posted by mikekjg

I think this is the root of the matter. There are a TON of threads about this and some people just won't listen because it's not in their local shop.

ETA: I second mjkeat; look at BCM. I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

Its to the point that every forum has thread upon thread covering this topic. I guess it shouldnt matter to me. If the roles were reversed and I was going to purchase a $950 S&W Id hope someone would slap me silly. I just dont want to see someone dissapointed in their purchase when they find out they could have had a killer AR for the same $. Less $ in this case.

jono446 · 01-13-2011, 22:09

Sorry guys kinda new to the ar's wasn't looking to get flamed here and was just asking opinions im actually looking at a spikes tactical now, I looked in my local shop because it's something I can hold before I lay down that kind of money. I didn't have alot of experience with these but am learning more.

mjkeat · 01-14-2011, 07:51

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Originally Posted by jono446

Sorry guys kinda new to the ar's wasn't looking to get flamed here and was just asking opinions im actually looking at a spikes tactical now, I looked in my local shop because it's something I can hold before I lay down that kind of money. I didn't have alot of experience with these but am learning more.

Nobody is flaming you. It just gets tiring when resonding to a "Help Me" thread and peoples good advice get pushed aside. You are fairly safe in taking a leap based on others testimony. You just need to get a feel for the people giving the advice.

Spikes is a good choice. Some guys will say they are not. Thats mostly based on the owners past actions and not on the quality of the product. Go w/ the midlength, itll shoot a little better.

mikekjg · 01-14-2011, 09:50

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Originally Posted by jono446

Sorry guys kinda new to the ar's wasn't looking to get flamed here and was just asking opinions im actually looking at a spikes tactical now, I looked in my local shop because it's something I can hold before I lay down that kind of money. I didn't have alot of experience with these but am learning more.

If my post sounded like flaming, I apologize, that was not my intent. Just research A LOT before you make a purchase.

You can find a great quality rifle for the same or less than what you see in a gun shop, you just have to take the time and do the research.

Go to different forums and search about different brands, barrel length, gas systems, etc. and then figure out what you want/need out of the rifle.

Let us know what you end up with! And good luck.