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Old 02-09-2010, 20:41   #21
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If you want something powerful and different than .45, then 10mm is the way to go. Personally I love the .45 for the power, availability of ammunition, and cost... Having said that, I wouldn't mind a 10mm, especially for hunting.
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Old 02-09-2010, 20:41   #22
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Do I want a 20 or a 21? Thats easy to answer.....G21!
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Old 02-09-2010, 20:47   #23
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get the 20 and if you want to shoot it for less money get a drop in .40 barrel
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Old 02-09-2010, 21:34   #24
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Do I want a 20 or a 21? Thats easy to answer.....G20!
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Old 02-09-2010, 22:27   #25
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if you dont mind getting your ammo online, get the 10mm...if you want to get ammo at a local store, get the 45....
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Old 02-09-2010, 22:38   #26
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21, now dont make me come back in here and tell you again....
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Old 02-09-2010, 23:41   #27
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As a commercial ammunition manufacturer, I load 10's because they are not easy to get in my area, and there is a demand for practice ammo. I have to buy new brass, except for short runs for customers using their brass.

The Glock 20 is made to be a Ten, and that is that.

To get the most versatility out of the Big Ten, one must reload. I also recommend a barrel set up for cast bullets, for practice and training drills.

Max loads kill the brass. Look at the Redding push through die for the 40 to eliminate the bulge one gets with max loads.

I like the Ten's versatility, but bought a Glock 21. For personal protection and training chores, along with standard drills and practice, the 45 ACP suits me fine.

Don't try to re invent the wheel with extremely heavy loads. With the right powders, the Big Ten can trot right along with the 41 Magnum at acceptable pressures. I suggest bullets between 165 and 180 grains. In bear country, possibly a 200 gr non expanding bullet. There ARE better rounds for critters that can bite and eat you!

I do recommend a 20 lb spring with the BIG loads, and the stock spring with lighter training fodder.
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Old 02-09-2010, 23:43   #28
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I choose the 20, I like mine
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Old 02-09-2010, 23:49   #29
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Thanks again guys, I'm leaning towards the 20 for sure. Can anyone tell me if they started making G20sf RTF2s yet? If not, when? Again, thanks for the info.

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Old 02-09-2010, 23:53   #30
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Interesting. I haven't bought any ammo since mid-last year (bought a couple cases then).

What are the specifics and when did they start ... or is this a taboo subject on GT (is DT a sponser)?
Generally speaking it's velocities of 100 to 200 FPS slower than what DT claims on their web site and on the ammo boxes themselves with almost every load I've tried. In the case of the 60-buck-a-box 10MM 155 grain Barnes XPB solid copper projectile, it was over 260 FPS slower than the 1400 FPS that DT claimed on the box.

The 147 grain 9x25 Dillon they claim at 1495 FPS, actually came in at about 1300 FPS instead.

I used to be a real DT fanboy until about 5 minutes after I bought my Chrono. Not anymore. They could have simply told the truth about the REAL velocities and I'd be a lot more likely to continue buying from them, but I just despise being lied to and tricked into buying something on false pretenses, so now I feel obligated to refuse them anymore of my business.
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Old 02-10-2010, 00:25   #31
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Both are excellent. Which number do you like better: 10 or 45?

That is the number stamped on the end of the box of ammo for your pistol; 10 mm or 45 ACP.

I vote for the Glock 21 in 45 ACP.
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Old 02-10-2010, 00:59   #32
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For the woods and hunting go with the 20.
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Double tap tried their hand at 9mm ammo. I saw a wet pack test where it over penetrated (+20 inches) and never expanded :/
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:09   #34
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Sorry for the double post but I'm in the same situation. I have a 21 and 30 but I am always wanting to go bigger. Is it really not ok to drop in a 10mm barrel in the 30/21? That would be ideal. I really want a 29 for CC. I like my .45s though because they aren't an arm and a leg to shoot!

Should I maybe try to trade my 21/30 for 20/29 and invest in a couple of .45 barrels for plinking?
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Old 02-10-2010, 01:27   #35
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I'll chime in since my one and only handgun I own is a G20sf.

I've shot .45's before, but man do I love mine. Of course my opinion is biased, but I say go with the G20. Aside from being the most powerful Glock, it has a coolness factor. It turns heads (mine was confused for a Desert Eagle once because of how loud it is), and I like having something not many people have. I know quite a few guys with guns, and none of them currently have or ever had a 10mm.

I was unhappy with the ammo situation until I discovered Georgia Arms. Boxes of 50 FMJ at my local place cost me $33. I just purchased 500 rounds of FMJ from G.A. for $200, it shipped on Monday, and I will have it tomorrow. Can't complain about that. Prices are not as absurd as people make it seem.

I also bought 50 rounds of Double Tap 180gr JHP Bonded Defense, and I will most likely buy a box of 50 of the 135gr Noslers just for fun. Double Tap rounds are a little pricey at about $40 for the box of 50, but they are my home defense cartridges so I will shoot 20 rounds of each at the range and the last 30 will be to load up my two mags. They'll last me a while.

Edit: Check out this vid. The 135gr is a nasty round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdB8yo085Sw

To answer your other question, I don't think there is a G20 RTF2.
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Old 02-10-2010, 03:51   #36
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I'll chime in since my one and only handgun I own is a G20sf.

I've shot .45's before, but man do I love mine. Of course my opinion is biased, but I say go with the G20. Aside from being the most powerful Glock, it has a coolness factor. It turns heads (mine was confused for a Desert Eagle once because of how loud it is), and I like having something not many people have. I know quite a few guys with guns, and none of them currently have or ever had a 10mm.

I was unhappy with the ammo situation until I discovered Georgia Arms. Boxes of 50 FMJ at my local place cost me $33. I just purchased 500 rounds of FMJ from G.A. for $200, it shipped on Monday, and I will have it tomorrow. Can't complain about that. Prices are not as absurd as people make it seem.

I also bought 50 rounds of Double Tap 180gr JHP Bonded Defense, and I will most likely buy a box of 50 of the 135gr Noslers just for fun. Double Tap rounds are a little pricey at about $40 for the box of 50, but they are my home defense cartridges so I will shoot 20 rounds of each at the range and the last 30 will be to load up my two mags. They'll last me a while.

Edit: Check out this vid. The 135gr is a nasty round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdB8yo085Sw

To answer your other question, I don't think there is a G20 RTF2.
Are the G20 mags the same price as the other glock mags?
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:41   #37
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Are the G20 mags the same price as the other glock mags?
I haven't purchased any extras yet so I don't have personal experience with prices; however, this site...

http://glockstore.com/pgroup_descrip...es/?return=%3f

...shows the same prices for all mags until you get up to the 11 round .40 and .357, and the 33 round 9mm.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:53   #38
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Gotta go with the G20.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:22   #39
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Generally speaking it's velocities of 100 to 200 FPS slower than what DT claims on their web site and on the ammo boxes themselves with almost every load I've tried. In the case of the 60-buck-a-box 10MM 155 grain Barnes XPB solid copper projectile, it was over 260 FPS slower than the 1400 FPS that DT claimed on the box.

The 147 grain 9x25 Dillon they claim at 1495 FPS, actually came in at about 1300 FPS instead.

I used to be a real DT fanboy until about 5 minutes after I bought my Chrono. Not anymore. They could have simply told the truth about the REAL velocities and I'd be a lot more likely to continue buying from them, but I just despise being lied to and tricked into buying something on false pretenses, so now I feel obligated to refuse them anymore of my business.
Are you sure your chrono is on. Have you checked other company's loadings, is your barrel length the same as what they use to get their numbers.

Sorry to sound skeptical, but you never know mistakes happen in various forms.

OP, if you're not shooting bears 21 will suffice.
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That's because they put a Montana Gold HP bullet in and didn't tell anyone.

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Double tap tried their hand at 9mm ammo. I saw a wet pack test where it over penetrated (+20 inches) and never expanded :/
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