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Old 12-20-2010, 10:34   #51
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Me personally, #2 unless I am well past 25 yrds(which I shoot in prone or kneeling), then I go to #3, its not a stupid question, you would be surprised how many people think #3 is the proper sight picture, their thoughts are the dots are there for a reason which is true but they are more for target acquisition then sight alignment but are meant to aid in both.

Now if shooting from prone or kneeling(assuming you are past 25 yrds) many will by nature drop their front sight shooting low and in a time of stress this happens naturally even to experienced shooters, I personally use #3 in the prone and kneeling position, sometimes I shoot slightly high but when aiming center mass I would prefer to shoot a little high then a little low when truly attempting to eliminate an imminent threat.

All of this is of course dependent greatly on the firearm and ammo used and is a generalization for basic needs, I would suggest as others have to find your preferred self defense rounds and target rounds and train with those ONLY especially when talking about cheap target rounds as they can vary greatly as far as POI when you get out past 25 yrds. At least do this until you learn your weapon. Once you get used to your weapon and understand how it performs with said ammo then you can grab w/e is available to practice with and run drills, but I would suggest sticking with what ever SD ammo you KNOW runs and performs properly and consistently.


Another thing to consider is a decent training course in your area, the weapon is useless without the proper training, and I can guarantee you that a lot of people around here have never fired their weapons when their heart rate was over 115-BPM(loss of fine motor skills) and that is a game changer and a good class would provide you with the experience and teach you how to maintain the proper sight alignment and picture along with other useful tools.

But even with all the training in the world if one doesnt practice often, your skill will diminish, it has been proven that shooting is a perishable skill that must be maintained.
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:43   #52
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Can anyone tell me what is the BEST Glock is????
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Is gen 4 better than gen3......................LOL
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Old 12-20-2010, 10:53   #53
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Right on needed some levity .....But I say G34....Hoppes #9.....and gen 3
A 34???? I own two 34s and while they are a great gun, didn't you hear me, I JUST BOUGHT A GEN4 G19, so that must be the greatest Glock. Hoppes is for old men who like to wear it as perfume while they dream of the days that they could still chase Moma around the house.

Rman 585, R you getting the desired effect yet? I'm feeling silly today, sorry to the original OP for getting so far off his serious question.

The point is that many of us have opionions on "what is the way to do things" Try to read a good solid book on firearms. As an old guy, I also like Bill Jordan, Elmer Keither, Colonel Jeff Cooper. Get a good basic intro book. If your goal is target shooting get a book about that, if self defense is your goal get a good book about that, if you want to play gun games like IDPA, USPSA ..... well you get the idea.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:17   #54
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I usually don't take the time to do this kind of stuff but check out this link: http://www.lawenforcementservices.bi...Techniques.pdf

Then for fun read what this man has to say and really listen: http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/rkba/Cooper_Quotes.htm

Have fun and welcome to handgun shooting the journey is half the fun. Enjoy your trip.
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Old 12-20-2010, 11:40   #55
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#3 for me.
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It does not matter, so long as you are consistent with where your hold (aim = sight alignment + sight picture) is.
Correct!

Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!

Myself, I use a hold similar to #2....unless I'm shooting competitive bullseye, then I use #1, but the gun is sighted in so the rounds will hit the center of the bullseye.

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Old 12-20-2010, 11:47   #56
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Correct!

Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!...
Your plan is patently transparent to me sir. I know what you're up to!

Yer quoting me in the hopes I'll sign up for GSSF so you can soundly and roundly kick my arse!

But I'm smarter than that. I'll just keep sniping from behind my screen, like the keyboard commando I am.



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Were you in the Army? If so..did you shoot any hand guns? Have you never heard of the 6 o'clock hold?
http://www.tpub.com/content/advancem.../12018_387.htm
no need to be a douche bag...6 oclock hold is not even represented in thoes pics in my book...the sights, ie the dots would be lined up at the 6, so pic #1 is close, but the dots are not at 6, they are below 6...#2 is again, alomost 6, but the dots are lined up north of 6...they all look wrong to me...but like i said, my glocks seem to hit best with center hold...
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Old 12-20-2010, 12:04   #58
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Everyone should sight in their gun so they will hit where they want to hit by holding the sights on the target the way they want to do it!
What the hell am I missing here? How do you sight in a gun for elevation when there are no elevation adjustments? I think a lot of confusion in this thread is due to the fact that the OP is talking about standard factory glock sights, not some other type of "iron" sighting system where the shooter does have the ability to adjust the sight picture to his preference.
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Of the course the answer is a G19, Break Free and of course the Gen 4 is better, I just bought one.
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What the hell am I missing here? How do you sight in a gun for elevation when there are no elevation adjustments? I think a lot of confusion in this thread is due to the fact that the OP is talking about standard factory glock sights, not some other type of "iron" sighting system where the shooter does have the ability to adjust the sight picture to his preference.
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I know that there's a way, but that's not what the OP is asking about.
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I know that there's a way, but that's not what the OP is asking about.

Just about every Glock I have shot out of the box, didn't shoot the same way; therefore, you had to compensate. Recently my 26 & 32 shot differently out of the box with fixed sights, as stated earlier...I had to adjust to the sights.

Even after replacing the sights on my 26 with Trijicon NS, it shot the same. My 32 came with Glock NS.





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What the hell am I missing here? How do you sight in a gun for elevation when there are no elevation adjustments? I think a lot of confusion in this thread is due to the fact that the OP is talking about standard factory glock sights, not some other type of "iron" sighting system where the shooter does have the ability to adjust the sight picture to his preference.

Well what are you talking about? The OP did not ask about elevation. To shoot any Glock with fixed factory sights (or any generic handgun with fixed sights for that matter), what you do is aim higher if you target is @ an elevation above yours (ie, point the gun at the target).

If you're talking about adjusting the "hold" or changing the sight picture to compensate for bullet drop, you change the relationship between the front/rear sights. Instead of the top of the front sight being flush with the rears ("equal height, equal light"), the front sight is canted up.

If this is not what yer asking, could you clarify please?

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I know that there's a way, but that's not what the OP is asking about.
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Just about every Glock I have shot out of the box, didn't shoot the same way.......
Exactly!

Like all too many people, the OP seems to expect the gun to be perfectly sighted in as it comes out of the box, and ya just need to find out how to align the sights to make it hit 'right', but that's not the case.

He's right about needing to learn how to align the sights 'correctly', but like nearly every other gun, Glocks do not always hit to the same point of aim as the next one does, and the user needs to sight it in to shoot the way he wants it to.

Glocks manufacturing process is VERY consistent though, and they do tend to shoot very close to the point of aim as they come out of the box, so close that they, if anything, normally only need a very little drifting of the rear sight, or on rare occasions, a rear sight that is only a fraction of a millimeter higher or lower to get the job done.

IF a person is new to Glocks, they may well be shooting 4 to 6 inches low and left, which is why they are asking about how to align the sights thinking the gun may not be shooting straight.....but we all know what the real problem is.
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I always use #2.

#3 seems like it would mostly apply to night sights.
i always use #2 too but why would it be any different with night sights?
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i always use #2 too but why would it be any different with night sights?
Well i guess it wouldnt be, but if it was dark, youd just be making sure your dots are in line and point them at your target as best you can.
Since you cant really see the cross in #3, for me personally thats how i would aim in the dark. Just a personal thing i guess.
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Well what are you talking about? The OP did not ask about elevation. To shoot any Glock with fixed factory sights (or any generic handgun with fixed sights for that matter), what you do is aim higher if you target is @ an elevation above yours (ie, point the gun at the target).
OK I got it.

But what if the target it so my left?

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Just about every Glock I have shot out of the box, didn't shoot the same way; therefore, you had to compensate. Recently my 26 & 32 shot differently out of the box with fixed sights, as stated earlier...I had to adjust to the sights...

Exactly.

I guess, for the OP, it might be nice to have an idea what Glock sets their sights up to do. But unless you shoot the same ammo they use for this setup -its a moot point. You just have to bench the gun and figure out what that gun with those sights and ammo are doing on target. Then decide if you want to adjust your technique to fit that combo or make some changes to the sights.

I rarely even shoot a new Glock with the sights the factory provides. I often have a new sight set ordered before I take the new gun to the range
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Well what are you talking about? The OP did not ask about elevation. To shoot any Glock with fixed factory sights (or any generic handgun with fixed sights for that matter), what you do is aim higher if you target is @ an elevation above yours (ie, point the gun at the target).

If you're talking about adjusting the "hold" or changing the sight picture to compensate for bullet drop, you change the relationship between the front/rear sights. Instead of the top of the front sight being flush with the rears ("equal height, equal light"), the front sight is canted up.

If this is not what yer asking, could you clarify please?

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Old 12-20-2010, 17:58   #72
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Can anyone tell me what is the BEST Glock is????
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Wrong thread - that belongs in Glockdude's "Tittles of threads sure to be locked".

As for my 2 cents, #2 is what I use. While I am no sharp shooter, i do tend to hit what I'm aiming at with that. I use #3 when the target is much further out.
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Image #2 is a POA sight picture. Image #2 is the correct one.
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I wish Hickock45 would chime in, because I'd really be interested in hearing what he had to say about it.
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I shoot my 1911 #2, this is the way I prefer it too be.

Unfortunately my G32 shoots #3 from 7' to 30+ yards. I dont really care for covering the target like that but its the way it shoots.

Oddly enough I just figured it shot low. I let a friend shoot it and he was running a tight group around the bullseye. I asked him how he shot and he said cover the target with the front sight (#3) like I was an idiot. That the way I've been shooting, seems to work...
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