Battle Rifle? Do You Really Need One? - Page 8

dosei · 01-04-2011, 10:01

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Originally Posted by AK_Stick

I've yet to see a real scenario where shots were intentionally fired through a barrier to reach a target on the other side. I have certainly fired plently of ammo at walls, and rocks to keep the guy on the other sides' head down, but I've never intentionally tried to shoot through something that was providing cover, with the intention of killing the guy on the other side. Nor do I have knowledge of it happening.

Really...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYwMrsaLxs
Now you do...

Granted, the 50 is by no means a MBR. It is more of a hand-held shoulder-fired artillery piece.

themighty9mm · 01-04-2011, 10:10

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

No, you pull the trigger. Unless you stand facing the gun and then push the trigger.

You operate any mechanical device. Operate is a broad term. Can mean to push, pull, turn, crank ect

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 10:27

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Originally Posted by themighty9mm

You operate any mechanical device. Operate is a broad term. Can mean to push, pull, turn, crank ect

The trigger is not a mechanical device. It's a lever. The whole gun is a mechanical device. So, yes, you can "operate" a gun but that just means you're doing something with the gun and not necessarily "shoot" it. You can yank back the bolt and that "operates" the gun. You "shoot" the gun and the bullet comes flying out of the muzzle.

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 10:28

My refrigerator runs like a top.

But I don't "run" my refrigerator.

Do you "run" your refrigerator?

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Originally Posted by dosei

Hey fnfalman...
Is your refrigerator running?

Better go catch it!

themighty9mm · 01-04-2011, 10:42

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

The trigger is not a mechanical device. It's a lever. The whole gun is a mechanical device. So, yes, you can "operate" a gun but that just means you're doing something with the gun and not necessarily "shoot" it. You can yank back the bolt and that "operates" the gun. You "shoot" the gun and the bullet comes flying out of the muzzle.

Dude it's all in reading comprehension like I already said. The english lanuguage is a pretty screwy language when it comes to this kinda thing Lol this could potentially get real technical and borderline retarded. So I have to assume you are just bored? As in the mental state of mind, not the wooden or planke type. (Sure the spelling is different so that should be a given. If one were to verbally say it though, they would sound exactly the same so you would used comprehension skills) The end result of all this is there are no winners. I'm right, your right, and thats that.
Well played on the trigger. So just for kicks. It is indeed a lever. A lever does do a function but needs something to "operate" the lever. A lever in itself is a simple mechanical device.
You "operate" a loaded gun and the bullet comes flying out of the muzzle
Again all the exact same meaning.
Can you comprehend it? lol

AK_Stick · 01-04-2011, 10:46

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Originally Posted by dosei

Really...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRYwMrsaLxs
Now you do...

Granted, the 50 is by no means a MBR. It is more of a hand-held shoulder-fired artillery piece.

I've seen bradleys' LAV's MK19's and M2's used to knock holes in walls too, but not quite the same thing.

dosei · 01-04-2011, 10:47

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

The trigger is not a mechanical device. It's a lever.

You just can't stop digging yourself deeper! Good grief, I hope the schools you went to no longer exist, or at least the teachers have retired/passed away.

The lever is one of the three fundamental "simple machines" (A simple machine is a mechanical device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force).

These three are:
The lever
The pulley
The inclided plane

...just stop while your behind, your only making it worse...

AK_Stick · 01-04-2011, 10:58

Websters dictionary:

Run

"a : to cause or allow (as a vehicle or a vessel) to go in a specified manner or direction (ran the car off the road)

b : operate (run a lathe) "

If you can run a lathe, I don't see why you couldn't run another machine.

themighty9mm · 01-04-2011, 11:00

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Originally Posted by AK_Stick

Websters dictionary:

Run

"a : to cause or allow (as a vehicle or a vessel) to go in a specified manner or direction <RAN road the off car>

b : operate <RUN a lathe>"

If you can run a lathe, I don't see why you couldn't run another machine.

Shoulda just went this route instead. Seems so much less hassle looking back on it

***beemerphile*** · 01-04-2011, 11:01

The .50 BMG is a great device for turning cover into concealment. We all "need" one.

RECO: Let's shelve the MBR discussion and discuss our "need" for a SASR. I'm in. I have some good Peltors to keep the sparrow farts from spooking me. If I can only figure out how to operate/run/pull the mechanical device/lever/simple machine.

Mochahooligan · 01-04-2011, 11:05

Just to answer the title of thethread..........Yes!

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 11:24

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Originally Posted by themighty9mm

Dude it's all in reading comprehension like I already said. The english lanuguage is a pretty screwy language when it comes to this kinda thing Lol this could potentially get real technical and borderline retarded. So I have to assume you are just bored? As in the mental state of mind, not the wooden or planke type. (Sure the spelling is different so that should be a given. If one were to verbally say it though, they would sound exactly the same so you would used comprehension skills) The end result of all this is there are no winners. I'm right, your right, and thats that.
Well played on the trigger. So just for kicks. It is indeed a lever. A lever does do a function but needs something to "operate" the lever. A lever in itself is a simple mechanical device.
You "operate" a loaded gun and the bullet comes flying out of the muzzle
Again all the exact same meaning.
Can you comprehend it? lol

Yes, the English language is a bit unconventional because it's an almagamation of several languages. So, it doesn't need any more help from mall ninjas and rappers killing the poor language even more.

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 11:28

Hmmm...I guess I don't know anything.

A trigger is a mechanism that actuates the firing sequence of firearms, or a power tool. Triggers almost universally consist of levers or buttons actuated by the index finger. Rare variations use the thumb or weak fingers to actuate the trigger. Examples are the M2 Browning machine gun and the Springfield Armory M6 Scout.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_(firearms)

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Originally Posted by dosei

You just can't stop digging yourself deeper! Good grief, I hope the schools you went to no longer exist, or at least the teachers have retired/passed away.

The lever is one of the three fundamental "simple machines" (A simple machine is a mechanical device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force).

These three are:
The lever
The pulley
The inclided plane

...just stop while your behind, your only making it worse...

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 11:29

The trigger looks suspiciously like a device called a "lever" to me.

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 11:33

Do you "run" the bulls? Or do you run "with" the bulls?

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 11:36

You can "run out" the guns, but you don't "run" the guns.

dosei · 01-04-2011, 11:53

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Hmmm...I guess I don't know anything.

You are sucessfully making it look that way...

Lever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever

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A lever is one of the six simple machines

Simple Machines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

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A simple machine is a mechanical device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force.

Wiki lists 6 simple machines:
Lever
Wheel and axle
Pulley
Inclined plane
Wedge
Screw

I only listed 3 because:
The wheel & axle is essentially a form of the lever
The wedge is just two inclined planes
And a screw is just an inclined plane (wrapping around a cylinder)
...so the calculations boil down to Lever, Pulley, & Inclined Plane.

cowboy1964 · 01-04-2011, 11:55

This cracks me up. Arguing over whether or not a trigger is a lever??

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 12:09

Making it look what way? The trigger is a lever. Nothing you've posted contradicted that.

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Originally Posted by dosei

You are sucessfully making it look that way...

Lever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever

Simple Machines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_machine

Wiki lists 6 simple machines:
Lever
Wheel and axle
Pulley
Inclined plane
Wedge
Screw

I only listed 3 because:
The wheel & axle is essentially a form of the lever
The wedge is just two inclined planes
And a screw is just an inclined plane (wrapping around a cylinder)
...so the calculations boil down to Lever, Pulley, & Inclined Plane.

dosei · 01-04-2011, 12:20

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Making it look what way? The trigger is a lever. Nothing you've posted contradicted that.

Trigger is a lever.
Lever is a simple machine.
Simple machines are mechanical device that changes the direction or magnitude of a force.

Trigger is a mechanical device.

This statement:

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

The trigger is not a mechanical device. It's a lever.

...among several others by you in this thread, are only serving you make you bad. And as long as this has gone on, the word "Troll" comes to mind...

So with that, I'll stop feeding the troll.

BleedNOrange · 01-04-2011, 12:43

All this talk of 800yd kills and energy...blah blah The majority of us, myself included couldn't hit a target the size of Obama's ego at that distance.

fnfalman · 01-04-2011, 13:52

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Originally Posted by dosei

direction or magnitude of a force.

In engineering parlance, that's called a "vector".

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...among several others by you in this thread, are only serving you make you bad. And as long as this has gone on, the word "Troll" comes to mind...

So with that, I'll stop feeding the troll.

You seem to have gleefully participated in it, so what does that make you?

Don't stop now, the fun just barely began.

JTLIII · 01-04-2011, 14:10

I like battle rifles, they feel like you are shooting something. My AR feels like a toy compared to my M1A. Personal choice.

Aceman · 01-04-2011, 18:52

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Originally Posted by glockpacker

Tell you what, Doby-do...

I've been shooting 600 and 1,000 yard matches for five years, including state, regional, and national championships. And I've won at least one state and one regional match. For 1,000 yards, the .284 Winchester caliber has taken over the F-open class, and the .308 is used for F-Target Rifle class. I haven't personally seen anyone shooting a .223 at a 1,000 yard match.

The .223 AR-15 is often used at 300- and 600-yards for F-Target Rifle, and can rule if the wind is light. But if the winds stiffen up, then the .308 with 175-grain and heavier bullets rule. I shoot in the Tennessee/ North Carolina and south area. Perhaps you've been shooting in a different area than I do.

The AR-15's need at least a 20- inch Heavy Barrel to be competitive. On mine I have a 26-inch, 1 in 7 twist, match barrel from White Oak Armory, and in light wind, it's deadly at 600.

If we get in a shooting war, I'd prefer to shoot my .284 from the roof of my 12-story building at 1,000 or so yards. I'll let you youngsters run around with your AR's and do the dirty work on the ground.

AND YES, the word NEED has NOTHING to do with firearms and ammunition.

The word WANT RULES!!!

M&P Shooter · 01-05-2011, 04:21

What fnfalman is watching now