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Old 01-03-2011, 10:19   #141
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Don't blame the media for making use of the moniker "assault rifles". Blame the gunzine writers that came up with that crap.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:26   #142
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I don't know how to run my guns either. I know how to shoot them, but run them? I must admit that I am ignorant.
Yes run. It's an intransitive verb, has a similar meaning to function. Does that help?
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:51   #143
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To me, the question really should be:
"Battle Rifle, are they useful to the common man?"

And the answer...IMHO...is "depends".

If a person hunts, and some of what is hunted requires a larger caliber than .223/5.56 to be legal according to DNR regs, then it might be a useful gun. If the terrain is such that 400+ yard shots are commonly presented, and the person has the skills to consistently make such shots, then it begins to be a more and more attractive option. If you are a "300 yards or less" type of shooter and do not hunt game bigger than a deer/hog, then an AR-15 is a perfectly acceptable and useful tool. If the game is bigger or distances greater, then the .308/7.62 gets more and more useful. Me personally, I don't have a problem taking/making shots out to 600 yards. And where I hunt I get presented with those kind of shots a lot. I feel the RRA LAR-8 (AR-10) is an ideal choice for me. Everybody needs to look at what they do/need and what is best suited for those tasks. It's like saying "Framing Hammer...Does everyone need one?" No, everyone does not need one. But for some, they are very useful.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:57   #144
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what I don't get is how you say the caliber makes it less accurate.

Its not that being 7.62 makes the rifle less accurate. It is that the platforms in 7.62 are less accurate to begin with.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:59   #145
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I have lots of different rifles. I don't plan on being in any "main" battles so none of mine are main battle rifles.
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Old 01-03-2011, 11:26   #146
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Yes run. It's an intransitive verb, has a similar meaning to function. Does that help?
You should make this proposal to the US Army TRADOC so that they can learn the soldiers better.

"GI, you don't shoot your weapons, you run your guns!!!"
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Old 01-03-2011, 13:15   #147
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You should make this proposal to the US Army TRADOC so that they can learn the soldiers better.

"GI, you don't shoot your weapons, you run your guns!!!"
I can't take the credit for the choosing to use run as a synonym for operate.

Here is some homework- go to one of the other multitude of posts on GT that use term "run" instead of operate and seek out the origin of this mind blowing concept!
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The fact is, that regardless of whether you pick a carbine firing an "intermediate" cartridge or an "MBR", there's going to be a tradeoff. If you live out in a rural setting and are suddenly in a "SHTF" scenario the chances of needing to deliver more power at extended ranges may be necessary not only for defense, but for hunting. Conversely, if the same situation represented itself in an urban environment, then having roughly 30% more firepower with less downrange "punch" would be the better tool for the job so long as one realizes the limitations of the caliber and doesnt constantly place themselves in a situation where those limitations could be exploited(such as wide open spaces with no cover). This of course is based on the fact that most semi-auto MBR's have a standard capacity of 20 rounds (such as the FAL, M1A and the G3) and its various "clones". Whereas the pre-dominant carbines(AK, AR) have a standard capacity of 30 rounds. The question is...."which tradeoff would have the LEAST impact on you"? Odds are, that for at least 95% of us, the carbine is the better choice...all things considered.
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All that means is the guy next to you didn't know how to run his gun.
Exactly my point.

Since I don't know how to 'run' an AR either I would never choose one for that reason. I could learn of course, but there are many guns that are much simpler to learn to use than an AR from what I've seen.

By the way my step-son, an ex-marine, swears by the AR...so different strokes for different folks and different levels of training.
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I can't take the credit for the choosing to use run as a synonym for operate.

Here is some homework- go to one of the other multitude of posts on GT that use term "run" instead of operate and seek out the origin of this mind blowing concept!
Probably the same origin as the idiots that coined the word "co-witness".

It's bad enough that rappers are killing the English vocabulary, but the mall ninjas have to contribute as well.
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Probably the same origin as the idiots that coined the word "co-witness".

It's bad enough that rappers are killing the English vocabulary, but the mall ninjas have to contribute as well.
Do you know how to run a tractor?

Do you know how to run a fork-truck?

Are you certified to run that equipment?

The use of "run" as an alternative to "operate" is quite old.

Not surprising that fnfalman, someone who appears to be saying that the sum total of their vocabulary and understanding of the English language came from what the Army taught him, is completely unaware of it and unable to grasp it...the government can't run anything correctly.

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Do you know how to run a tractor?

Do you know how to run a fork-truck?

Are you certified to run that equipment?

The use of "run" as an alternative to "operate" is quite old.
Do you "run" a car? Do you "run" a motorcycle?

You don't "operate" a firearm. You "shoot" it.
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Not surprising that fnfalman, someone who appears to be saying that the sum total of their vocabulary and understanding of the English language came from what the Army taught him, is completely unaware of it and unable to grasp it...the government can't run anything correctly.

I studied English in school.
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Probably the same origin as the idiots that coined the word "co-witness".

It's bad enough that rappers are killing the English vocabulary, but the mall ninjas have to contribute as well.
You have a PM about this mall ninja crap.
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Do you "run" a car? Do you "run" a motorcycle?

You don't "operate" a firearm. You "shoot" it.


I studied English in school.
Do you "drive" a helicoptor? Seems they do in the army, yet you need a "pilot's" license and not a "driver's" license.

Face it, your only showing your own ignorance on this one.

Heck...the word "run" has 179 different "definitions" or "uses" listed at dictionary.com.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/run

Take a look at #69..."run" being used as a verb with an object.
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Do you "drive" a helicoptor? Seems they do in the army, yet you need a "pilot's" license and not a "driver's" license.

Face it, your only showing your own ignorance on this one.

Heck...the word "run" has 179 different "definitions" or "uses" listed at dictionary.com.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/run

Take a look at #69..."run" being used as a verb with an object.
No, you "fly" a helicopter.

A car "runs" on gasoline.

You don't "run" a car. You "drive" it.

You don't "run" a horse. You "ride" it.

You don't "run" a jack hammer. You pile drive it. Or you "operate" it.

Just because it's been used willy nilly doesn't make it right.
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Do Special Ops "operators" "run" their ops?
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You have a PM about this mall ninja crap.
You have a replied PM about this mall ninja crap.
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The flatter trajectory of the .308 certainly makes that correction easy.
A .308 is faster than a .223? What am I missing here?
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A .308 is faster than a .223? What am I missing here?
At long ranges, it may very well be faster depending on bullet design, drag coefficient, etc. All things being equal, the .308 round would retain velocity better than the .223 - the laws of inertia.
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