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Old 01-26-2011, 10:27   #1
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.40S&W 180gr. vs. 165gr. in G22/23/27

which grain do you prefer and WHY?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:45   #2
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I like 180gr in 40sw. The lighter rounds can become the "S" word, especially in a G27. To me though, the more important factor is accuracy, so I'd try them all out & stick w/whichever bullet weight/gun combo you do your best work with.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:46   #3
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I prefer 180gr ammo. I am of the slow and heavy camp. I like the perceived recoil of the slightly slower and heavier bullet better also.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:49   #4
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Either one works for me in a G23, I've been carrying 165gr Speer Gold Dots lately since I found a great deal on 5 50rd boxes of them.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:51   #5
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I only buy 180. Softer recoil and per the testing docs I've read consistantly better penetration & expansion.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:54   #6
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I only buy 180. Softer recoil and per the testing docs I've read consistantly better penetration & expansion.
This was my thought on it exactly, penetration is better, expansion is almost as good and recoil is better. That being said, I was wondering if anyone using 180gr. ever had any feeding issues, like FTFs or anything? When I got my G19, I was worried the 147gr. bullets were gonna cause feeding issues, but they never did.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:56   #7
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I shoot 180's because I practice with 180's.

I wish WM carried less grain rounds. Then it would be different
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:04   #8
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I will shoot either, but if given the choice I like 165 grain because I find them to be a little more accurate at distance. I am not sure if it is in my head or what.

I carry 155 grain Gold Dots. They shoot very well.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:14   #9
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This was my thought on it exactly, penetration is better, expansion is almost as good and recoil is better. That being said, I was wondering if anyone using 180gr. ever had any feeding issues, like FTFs or anything? When I got my G19, I was worried the 147gr. bullets were gonna cause feeding issues, but they never did.
I only shoot 180gr out of my 23 and never had a single problem. Big and "slow" is the way to go.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:15   #10
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I tend to overanalyze things a bit. I have been using the 165 PDX1's in the G27, and the 180 PDX1's in the G22. It probably will amount to a hill of beans, but I hoped the higher velocity of the 165's would help make up for some of the loss due to the shorter barrel in the G27. In the summer I use the 135 gr HST's.
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Old 01-26-2011, 11:19   #11
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180 is my preference. I have always shot heavy for caliber bullets better than the lighter ones for some reason. I'm planning on trying out a box or two of the 200gr. stuff from Double Tap to see how I like it.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:11   #12
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Currently I use 180's because that's what I found the best price on. However I have & use 165gr too. I see no difference in my G22 & G27.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:24   #13
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To me it's splitting hairs. 15 Grains won't make much difference if you miss; or hit for that matter. It may sound cliche and overly repeated but really, it's about shot placement.

That said: I tend to prefer faster moving projectiles as they expand better, in the heaviest weight possible (if that makes sense to you). In the .40 S&W that means 155 - 165 grains. Those weights seem to be the best compromise of speed vs. weight in my admittedly limited testing. Although I do hear the 135's hit like lightning and create a massive temporary cavity. Kinda like the mythical manstopping .357 with 125 Gr. HP's at 1400 FPS.

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I have been using the 165 PDX1's in the G27.
Me too. My 27 is very accurate with that round when fired by me. So that's what I carry as well.

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Old 01-26-2011, 12:45   #14
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How about the 200 grain Double Taps!
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:46   #15
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I just got back from the range, went through a couple hundred rounds in my G23. I would say that I like the 180g bullets as well. It wasn't too noticeable at first but after 50+ shots fired I found my grouping to be marginally better at 7-10 yards on a rather small target.

On another note I tried my new 15lb spring and wasn't not impressed. I'm thinking I'll stick to the factory spring.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:48   #16
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I like the 180 in the longer barrels and the 165 in the subcompact barrels like the 27.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:50   #17
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Just out of curiosity, what does the FBI use now? 180?
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:55   #18
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I don't shoot factory anymore but reload. The 180 has less powder and does have a softer recoil.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:56   #19
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I like the 165's, I agree with those that say it is a good combo or weight and velocity
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:58   #20
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Wow, I should have made this a poll, seems the majority favor 180gr., which is what I was leaning towards anyway, when I do get a .40.
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