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Old 02-05-2011, 15:13   #1
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Springfield 1911 made in Brazil

I don't care all that much where a gun is made - I have a Polish underfolder AK, a Bulgarian (mostly) AK - a G19 from Austria -

While doing research / trying to decide which 1911 to buy

I noticed all the pictures of Springfield Armory 1911 on their web site show Geneseo, Il USA stamped right into the frame.

But when I looked at a gun in person they say Brazil.

So I gave SA customer service a call - and ask them about it - figured maybe guns were made both places.

They said all frames are made in Brazil and will have Brazil on the side.

So I ask - did you photo shop Geneseo, Il USA on the photos of all the guns that are on your web site? The lady said - yes we did.

It seems strange to me that they would do this -

If I was buying a gun and had a choice - two of the same model sitting side by side - one USA one Brazil - I would grab the made in USA gun -

Like I said already - having the gun made in Brazil doesn't bother me all that much - I may still get one -


But when a company photo shops the images they use so they look like they are made in the USA -when they are not - it bugs me a little.

Anyone else have an opinion about this?
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Old 02-05-2011, 15:41   #2
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I've wondered about that myself.

Thank you for calling them and finding out why none of their pictures
show the "made in Brazil" markings.

Are they ashamed of where their guns are made?

Maybe they're afraid that the "made in America" crowd won't buy their
guns?

They have nothing to hide because IMBEL of Brazil produces a superior
product. Probably better than anything that can be "made in America".

Having their 1911 frames forged in Brazil is a good thing. Just do a Google
search of IMBEL and check out all the military products they produce.

I wish all the IMBEL produced weapons were available in the United States.
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:15   #3
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The CS lady didn't explain it correctly, or something.

All the frames do come from Imbel in Brazil, but not all of them are marked that way. Only the guns that are mostly built in Brazil are stamped as such.

Guns that are mostly built/put together in the US, are marked that way.
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:29   #5
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Are all TRP and Professionals "NM" model guns that are mostly made in Illinois? They must be, due to being semi-custom and custom guns...
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Old 02-05-2011, 16:34   #6
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Are all TRP and Professionals "NM" model guns that are mostly made in Illinois? They must be, due to being semi-custom and custom guns...
TRP's and Trophy Match are NM. these are still production guns and not "semi-custom"

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Old 02-05-2011, 16:48   #7
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The CS lady didn't explain it correctly, or something.

All the frames do come from Imbel in Brazil, but not all of them are marked that way. Only the guns that are mostly built in Brazil are stamped as such.

Guns that are mostly built/put together in the US, are marked that way.

I was looking at "loaded" models PX9104LP bi-tone or PX9109LP parkerized - and think I mentioned that to the customer service person at SA.

All the pics of these guns (and the GI model too) show Geneseo, Il USA -

Are you saying these models are made in both places so some are marked USA some Brazil?

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GI's are built by IMBEL in Brazil. they have the WW prefix.

some guns might have the "N" prefix and it doesn't look like it made in Brazil from the side, but on the underside of the dustcover it'll have the marking.
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Old 02-05-2011, 18:02   #9
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This was made in Brazil too. Looks fine to me
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Old 02-05-2011, 18:17   #10
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This was made in Brazil too. Looks fine to me
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Yeah, but that looks like a MIM bikini. Those will eventually break.
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Old 02-05-2011, 18:30   #11
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Yeah, but that looks like a MIM bikini. Those will eventually break.
You saying that's a bad thing?
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Some frames are forged and machined in the USA, and have s/n's with a NM prefix. This does not imply National Match, BTW. Their higher-end guns are primarily built on frames done in the USA.

Many of their other 1911s have frames forged in Brazil and they are thusly marked. But while the frames are from Brazil, these pistols are still assembled in the USA from parts primarily made in the USA under contract to Springfield Armory.

No completed 1911s come out of Brazil.

The forged frames made by IMBEL are better for builds than many cast frames made in the USA.
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This is more of the type of bikini's Joe wants to see snap!



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Old 02-05-2011, 19:39   #14
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Dude, this ain't facebook. Post pics of yourself elsewhere. I just threw up in my mouth.
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Old 02-05-2011, 19:41   #15
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I see Bac finally posted a picture of himself.
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That's just wrong
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Are all TRP and Professionals "NM" model guns that are mostly made in Illinois? They must be, due to being semi-custom and custom guns...
The TRP is a production gun, the Pro is a semi-custom.
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Old 02-05-2011, 20:00   #19
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Let me ask it simple & straight forward - so I can understand it without looking at serial number prefixes.

Can I actually buy all the 1911 SA has on their web site?

that say

Springfield
Geneseo, Il USA

on the frame

Or

Do they photo shop some of the pictures just for the web site?
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Dude, this ain't facebook. Post pics of yourself elsewhere. I just threw up in my mouth.
Stop denying it! That sure looks more like a GC in your hand then it does my EMP, Spartan, or TRP!!! Acceptance is the 1st step to recovery. You rep the community well sir! STAY STRAPPED!!!!
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