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Old 02-17-2011, 19:00   #1
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Winchester PDX1 12g Personal Defense Shotshell?

I went to pick up some 00buck at my local WalMart and saw these on the shelf. They have a 1oz rifled slug with 00Buck (3 pellets) in a buffered shot. I couldn't readily see any advertised velocities.
Has anyone any experience or knowledge of these and how they perform? They were about $12.47/box of 10.
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Old 02-18-2011, 00:44   #2
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They provide a rough triangle pattern through a smoothbore, with the slug impacting somewhere inside the triangle.
They spread faster than standard buck, which reduces effective range if you want to strike with all projectiles.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:12   #3
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I don't see three buckshot being a big help to a 1oz slug in the stopping power department. At $1.30 each after sales tax vs around 75 cents each I pay for slugs, the added advantage either real or imagined wouldn't be worth the cost for me.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:39   #4
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gimmick. slug or buck - pick one. three pellets is whatever...the slug is the real player in that combo
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Old 03-09-2011, 20:33   #5
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PDX1 is bad ass to the 1st degree...

Now that we stated the obvious..

PDX1 is NOT a good home defense round period. The last thing a fella yearns for is to launch a 1 oz. slug thru 8 walls of his house and into the neighbors TV room, all the while traveling at over 1000 fps.. makes for a tough day at court, higher attorney fees and all that.

Personally I like 00 buck or BB shot for home defense. BB shot can be like a giant cheese grater tied to a chainsaw... Especially if your target is in thick brush...

If I'm out camping I use 00 buck solely. We have Mountain lions here...

When I'm paranoid or in Detroit I run slugs, great for penetrating low rider Cadillacs. This is your practical PDX1 application.

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Old 03-09-2011, 20:52   #6
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gimmick. slug or buck - pick one. three pellets is whatever...the slug is the real player in that combo





I agree, but a slug and three little friends couldnt hurt. Well....not you anyways.
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Old 03-09-2011, 22:57   #7
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As I posted on another forum:
I checked it out and just couldn't really understand the concept. If you want a slug you want a slug for precision shooting, thus the buck becomes a problem. If you want the buck you want the effect of multiple rounds of buckshot hitting the target at the same time over an expanded area. Thus again only having 3 buckshot becomes a problem. Buck and slug are designed for different problems, and it seems this type of load reduces the effectiveness of the round in each specific problem rather than improving the effectiveness.
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Old 03-09-2011, 23:07   #8
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Ditto what David said.

This is marketing, plain and simple and designed to get your money from you. This mess offers nothing.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:56   #9
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Back during the revolutionary war buck and ball was a good thing against massed enemy troops. Kill one guy and maybe wound a couple others with a single shot was a good thing.

Not sure it has much application for home defense.
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Old 03-10-2011, 19:33   #10
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If you build it, they will come (with money in hand).

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Old 03-12-2011, 02:42   #11
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I agree. BB for indoor amd buckshot or slugs for big stuff outdoors. B&P used to sell some 5/0 buckshot that was a little bigger than BB, and that is what I currently use for HD. Fantastic stuff up close, but the individual pellets won't penetrate too far after hitting an interior wall or two.
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Old 03-12-2011, 08:33   #12
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I'd leave the PDX 1 for the guys shooting those .410 revolvers. If I want buck and slug at the same time in 12, I'm using my coach gun.

Mdfd, fyi, Gander Mtn list the velocity at 1150 fps.
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Old 03-12-2011, 16:11   #13
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...Mdfd, fyi, Gander Mtn list the velocity at 1150 fps.
thanx!
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Old 03-13-2011, 13:20   #14
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I keep my Winchester 1300 Defender loaded with this ...

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http://le.atk.com/general/federalpro...lbuckshot.aspx
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I keep my Winchester 1300 Defender loaded with this ...

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http://le.atk.com/general/federalpro...lbuckshot.aspx
Great stuff. Groups amazingly well out of my 870. Very manageable recoil too.
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Old 03-20-2011, 00:11   #16
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another way of looking at this is yes, the slug does the majority of the damage but, if for some reason, you pull the shot one way or another, one of the smaller shot may hit a vital. If you make a good shot and the slug does the job, that's okay too.
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