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Old 02-20-2011, 04:11   #1
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need load data: 9mm, 115 grn montana gold FMJ, Titegroup

so I finally have my dillon close to set up. I realized though, I have no load data.

9mm, shooting mostly glock.

bullet: 115 montana gold FMJ
powder: Titegroup

for some reason hodgdon does not list a 115gr FMJ load with titegroup on their website. see for yourself http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

I have a hornady manual that does not list titegroup.

however, in my speer reloading manual, it has a 115 grain TMJ RN.

for that is says the COAL is 1.135

min power charge is 4.1 grains, max is 4.5

does that sound close?
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Old 02-20-2011, 10:24   #2
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so I finally have my dillon close to set up. I realized though, I have no load data.

9mm, shooting mostly glock.

bullet: 115 montana gold FMJ
powder: Titegroup

for some reason hodgdon does not list a 115gr FMJ load with titegroup on their website. see for yourself http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp

I have a hornady manual that does not list titegroup.

however, in my speer reloading manual, it has a 115 grain TMJ RN.

for that is says the COAL is 1.135

min power charge is 4.1 grains, max is 4.5

does that sound close?
You aren't going to find MG specific data. If you must use TG, use starting data & load long, work up very slowly in 0.1gr increments. Triple check you powder charges. You can double a charge of TG even in the 9mm. IMO, put the TG on your shelf, go buy 1# WSF or Universal & load your first 1500rds w/ that to learn your new hobby. TG, just too many problems for a newb.
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:58   #3
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What are you planing on doing with those bullets?
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You should chose your powder and load by cartridge intended use.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:13   #4
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however, in my speer reloading manual, it has a 115 grain TMJ RN.

for that is says the COAL is 1.135

min power charge is 4.1 grains, max is 4.5

does that sound close?
Thats what I have found when using Titegroup. 4.5 for the 115s, 4.0 for the 124s and 3.5 for the 147s.

I load mine a little longer than most as mine are being shot out of a 1911. I back it off 0.2 for Glocks and M&Ps.
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Thats what I have found when using Titegroup. 4.5 for the 115s, 4.0 for the 124s and 3.5 for the 147s.

I load mine a little longer than most as mine are being shot out of a 1911. I back it off 0.2 for Glocks and M&Ps.

A 1911 huh? I wonder what it would be like to put some 9's downrange with a 1911?

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Old 02-20-2011, 12:35   #6
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4.4 grs.
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Old 02-20-2011, 12:56   #7
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A 1911 huh? I wonder what it would be like to put some 9's downrange with a 1911?

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Old 02-20-2011, 16:47   #8
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I load 4.3gr Titegroup with both 115gr and 124gr bullets. All to 1.125".
My G34 loves this load. And I just discovered an even better load for the G34,
5.2gr Unique, 124gr FMJ at 1.150".
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Old 02-20-2011, 16:55   #9
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I load 4.3gr Titegroup with both 115gr and 124gr bullets. All to 1.125".
My G34 loves this load. And I just discovered an even better load for the G34,
5.2gr Unique, 124gr FMJ at 1.150".
Excellent load. 4.3 grains @ 1.14 is very nice with FMJ and 4.2 does equally well with plated.
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Old 02-20-2011, 23:08   #10
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You aren't going to find MG specific data. If you must use TG, use starting data & load long, work up very slowly in 0.1gr increments. Triple check you powder charges. You can double a charge of TG even in the 9mm. IMO, put the TG on your shelf, go buy 1# WSF or Universal & load your first 1500rds w/ that to learn your new hobby. TG, just too many problems for a newb.
thank you for your concern. this is almost the exact response I got over at sigforum regarding TG. I do not remember who recommended it to me, as I bought it months ago. but several people did on an internet board like this one. I do have a whole heck of a lot of it, so thats what I'll be using for the foreseeable future.

anyhow, it was a big day for me as I reloaded and shot my first rounds ever. love my dillon 550.

again, I will heed your warnings and will be extra vigilant at physically observing the powder charge with every round I load. I have intentionally double charged many a case to see what it looks like and it is indeed easy to spot.

thanks again.

range report:

fingers and eyes: all still there. guns (two glocks) functioned perfectly.

I ended up going with about 4.1 grains of titegroup with an OAL of 1.138.
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Old 02-20-2011, 23:09   #11
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What are you planing on doing with those bullets?
  • Plink
  • IDPA
  • ISPC major
  • Bullseye
You should chose your powder and load by cartridge intended use.
plink/train/IDPA/IPSC production.
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Old 02-21-2011, 04:52   #12
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I ended up going with about 4.1 grains of titegroup with an OAL of 1.138.
You should be making power factor with that. But you might want to run it over a crono. 4.1 over a 125 makes power factor to spare in my G17.
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:18   #13
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sadly I don't have access to a chrono. maybe I'll dial it down a smidge, as it seemed rather snappy, and easily cycled the gun. perhaps 3.9 or 4.0.
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115s will always be snappy. Thats why I shoot 124s and 130s. Not as snappy/harsh as 115s, but not as expensive as 147s.

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sadly I don't have access to a chrono. maybe I'll dial it down a smidge, as it seemed rather snappy, and easily cycled the gun. perhaps 3.9 or 4.0.
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Old 02-22-2011, 18:56   #15
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Just picked up some titegroup. Loading for my glock 26. 115 fmj, 4.4 grains, 1.16 oal.
I made 10 and now I need to see how they shoot.

Not sure if I should lower my grains or keep it at 4.4,yet.
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Old 02-24-2011, 15:15   #16
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that should be fine. I don't think 4.4 quite makes it up to even WWB. its close, though.
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Old 02-24-2011, 17:38   #17
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115 are always seem snappy in order to get enough emergency to cycle the gun. Tightgroup and 115 gr 9mm are the tighwad special! Spend another two or three bucks a K (one third of a penny a round) and get rid of those snappy 115. I understand the CRB thing but why not save some money and make your gun a pleasure to shoot?
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Old 02-24-2011, 22:15   #18
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115 are always seem snappy in order to get enough emergency to cycle the gun. Tightgroup and 115 gr 9mm are the tighwad special! Spend another two or three bucks a K (one third of a penny a round) and get rid of those snappy 115. I understand the CRB thing but why not save some money and make your gun a pleasure to shoot?
Since you are going to splurge, you might as well spend 1/5c per round more & get a more suitable powder too.
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I like TG myself. I've been using it for years now. The one thing I really like about it, is it not positionaly sensitive and the shot to shot consistency is exceptional. I think you should use 4.4 grs with the 115fmj and you will be on par with a factory 115 load. Sure it's a bit snappy, but no more so than factory. If you double charge at 4.4grs., you pretty much spilling over, I think you would notice. Just don't double charge! That's just my 2 cents.
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I like 4.1g of TG loaded to 1.14 myself. Functions well in both my 9mm's. 4.3g works as well in both 115 and 124g's. I like the WST better in 9mm, but will burn my half pound of TG up before I load any more WST's.
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thank you for your concern. this is almost the exact response I got over at sigforum regarding TG. I do not remember who recommended it to me, as I bought it months ago. but several people did on an internet board like this one. I do have a whole heck of a lot of it, so thats what I'll be using for the foreseeable future.

anyhow, it was a big day for me as I reloaded and shot my first rounds ever. love my dillon 550.

again, I will heed your warnings and will be extra vigilant at physically observing the powder charge with every round I load. I have intentionally double charged many a case to see what it looks like and it is indeed easy to spot.

thanks again.

range report:

fingers and eyes: all still there. guns (two glocks) functioned perfectly.

I ended up going with about 4.1 grains of titegroup with an OAL of 1.138.
The problem with TiteGroup is more than just a double charge. The pressure curve is obscene. Bullet setback combined with throwing a charge a little too heavy can blow your gun up. Load toward the long side and stay away from the max.

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The problem with TiteGroup is more than just a double charge. The pressure curve is obscene. Bullet setback combined with throwing a charge a little too heavy can blow your gun up. Load toward the long side and stay away from the max.
The problem w/ all powders much faster than WST is steep pressure curves. The problem is pressures ARE NOT LINEAR. So as the curve gets steeper, at some point it goes vertical & you get a spike. That happens within 0.1gr of max ons some powders in some cartridges particularly w/ heavy for caliber bullets. Why I don't like such powders for high pressure rounds like the 9mm & 40. A bullet setback can really mess up your day.
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<TABLE border=1 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=728 align=center><TBODY><TR align=middle *********white><TD class=data width=105>4.8 gr <TD class=data width=75>TiteGroup <TD class=data width=75>1,158 fps <TD class=data width=75>1.125" <TD class=data width=75>CCI 500 <TD class=data width=75>Hodgdon <TR><TD class=comment *********white colSpan=6>Suggested starting load: 4.3 gr
Pressure: 30,500 CUP

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I would verify it obviously, but here is a TG start.

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