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Old 03-16-2011, 15:51   #26
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No some just take it as an implication outside the bible
like every text up for interpretation, some see it as a nessesity for war, others missionary activity like alot of religions. english to arabic can be confusing.
I don’t know your read the bible and that’s some pretty f’d up stuff to they think people should/must do. both religions, sorry all religions, have groups and past incidents that are less then pleasant, crusades, inquisitions, jihads, pogams, ect ect . I don’t think its anymore accurate to judge an entire religion by a few nuts that take it too far then it is to judge gun owners based on the acts of a few that commit crimes with guns. The reality is that fundamentalism and literalism in religion, any religion, does not belong in the modern state
I do read the Bible.I go to a Apostolic Pentecostal Church.Yes the Old Testament people were stoned to death and killed in various other ways because Jesus had not died on the Cross for our sins.He redeemed us by taking all our sin.
Yes we still sin,until the day we die we will.We should not strive to sin but strive to be more like Christ.

The koran has none of that.Its either you convert or you should be killed.God gives us free will.If we choose to not accept Christ then we will die a second death.
Did you watch the video?
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Old 03-16-2011, 18:17   #27
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Open the door?Its already happening to Christians...Wake up!

muslims don't deserve any rights.Study their so called religion (which its not) and you may have your eyes opened...then again maybe you won't.

Watch this documentary...then tell me if you still believe they are a religion of peace.
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I am failing to see anything Christian about you, are you making the claim to be a follower of Christ?
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I am failing to see anything Christian about you, are you making the claim to be a follower of Christ?
That's your problem.

You know me from a few posts on the internet,that's it.I'm 46 years old and you have no clue about my life.
In my opinion you're a commie but you know what they say about opinions.
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I do read the Bible.I go to a Apostolic Pentecostal Church.Yes the Old Testament people were stoned to death and killed in various other ways because Jesus had not died on the Cross for our sins.He redeemed us by taking all our sin.
Yes we still sin,until the day we die we will.We should not strive to sin but strive to be more like Christ.

The koran has none of that.Its either you convert or you should be killed.God gives us free will.If we choose to not accept Christ then we will die a second death.
Did you watch the video?
If I get time at some point I will watch it. Unfortunately papers on Ataturk don’t write themselves. Honestly I try to understand world religions but they are all Greek to me. Torah, Bible, Koran, (the Abraham religions) they all sound nicer on paper then in reality. And the more serious the person takes it, the more they seem to lose their humanity in this quest to preach and spread there religion. I have basically boiled it down to recalling the big ones in the middle east (some Islamic sects, Druze, Maronite) and having no clue what an Apostolic Pentecostal Church is. If anything in this world religion is a blinding force. Sadly often the religion of another group of people is blinding individuals any differences in the group so in their minds they are all this horrible stereotype. It would be just as easy for me to see all Christians as horrible people like the ones that almost killed a friend of mine because of where and what she does for work, but there are so many good people out there along with the bad ones.
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[QUOTE=Peace Frog;17031578]We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork.

How does your proposed action fit in with Jesus' message of love?

You failed to note that the roundup of Japanese was a horrendous mistake based on ignorance and prejudice, not because of any threat by them to our country. The anti Japanese hysteria in 1942 was pretty widespread as was the anti communist hysteria of the late 1940s and 1950s. Despite what the noisy politicians were saying the Reds did not stand a chance of taking us over. Have the schools failed to teach the lessons of history?

I once went to a fundamentalist church where the preacher told us that Rev Billy Graham was a dangerous liberal and that only 144,000 or so would be taken to heaven at the end of time.

While I still live a pretty straight life, now as an adult I am no longer with the holier than thou set and I realize that, if slightly twisted and misdirected, religion can be a force for evil. We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.
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We should round up all muslims in the US just like we did the Japanese.
But the difference should be that all muslims be sent to Chelyabinsk and fed only pork.

How does your proposed action fit in with Jesus' message of love?

You failed to note that the roundup of Japanese was a horrendous mistake based on ignorance and prejudice, not because of any threat by them to our country. The anti Japanese hysteria in 1942 was pretty widespread as was the anti communist hysteria of the late 1940s and 1950s. Despite what the noisy politicians were saying the Reds did not stand a chance of taking us over. Have the schools failed to teach the lessons of history?

I once went to a fundamentalist church where the preacher told us that Rev Billy Graham was a dangerous liberal and that only 144,000 or so would be taken to heaven at the end of time.

While I still live a pretty straight life, now as an adult I am no longer with the holier than thou set and I realize that, if slightly twisted and misdirected, religion can be a force for evil. We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.
Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.
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We can defeat those who would change our way of life without a blanket condemnation of entire races, cultures or religions.
The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.
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The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.
Probably because a woman would be stoned to death for having an abortion and killing her unborn baby. No such law here in the U.S. where abortions are at an all time high.

I think my point was that ALL religions go through their Legalistic phase where they enforce their laws upon other people "for the peoples own good". Hebrews wiped entires cities off the face of the map and killed men, women and babies in the Old Testament. Puritans used many passages from the OT to put to death Witches, disobedient children, adulterers, ect.
Was it right, NO, did it happen, YES.
Give time, if Islam is to survive, the radicals will disappear and the moderate Muslims will end up taking back their religion, same as took place with the Jews and Christians.

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Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.
Religion and peace, after studying religion shouldn’t you relies that’s an oxymoron? Religions are all radical and such until they have power then its all about fallowing the status quote ( the behave after life benefits, change in focus from a jealous god to a loving one)
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The muslim birthrate is 3.5 average or maybe more per muslim household.The American birthrate is 1.7 average per household.

Do the math.
Not mutually exclusive. Also it we are going to look at populations in underdeveloped countries or that have recently left underdeveloped countries that birthrate is not abnormal. Usually cultural norms develop to encourage large families when the infant mortality rate is high and these usually stay in the culture for a while even after the infant mortality rate changes.
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The idiocy of Tennessee doesn't even surprise me anymore.

I have met some nice smart people in the state, but by far my experiences there are the closest real life example of Idiocracy I have ever witnessed.
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Probably because a woman would be stoned to death for having an abortion and killing her unborn baby. No such law here in the U.S. where abortions are at an all time high.

I think my point was that ALL religions go through their Legalistic phase where they enforce their laws upon other people "for the peoples own good". Hebrews wiped entires cities off the face of the map and killed men, women and babies in the Old Testament. Puritans used many passages from the OT to put to death Witches, disobedient children, adulterers, ect.
Was it right, NO, did it happen, YES.
Give time, if Islam is to survive, the radicals will disappear and the moderate Muslims will end up taking back their religion, same as took place with the Jews and Christians.

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http://www.celebrateboston.com/crime...punishment.htm
I agree somewhat but there is no "Legalistic phase" in islam.In the OT of the Bible we were promised a redeemer,no such thing in the koran.
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Religion and peace, after studying religion shouldn’t you relies that’s an oxymoron? Religions are all radical and such until they have power then its all about fallowing the status quote ( the behave after life benefits, change in focus from a jealous god to a loving one)
Yeah ok.

You folks have lived with muslims in a muslim country?

You folks who try and compare islam with not just Christianity but any other religion go right on ahead.The day is coming when you will not be able to deny how evil muslims are.

I'll let you bleeding heart peaceful folks alone to praise your muslim "faith".
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Yeah ok.

You folks have lived with muslims in a muslim country?
Egypt i think whould count ( i have heard some one argue " its to seculer to count"). so yes. Also i have lived in some pretty Muslim sections of NYC, and dated a girl from Sudan once. honestly one of my favorite ex's.
You folks who try and compare islam with not just Christianity but any other religion go right on ahead.The day is coming when you will not be able to deny how evil muslims are.
hey i am one of the first to say there are evil people in religions, i just point at the evil ones in every religion i can
I'll let you bleeding heart peaceful folks alone to praise your muslim "faith".
faith, i am a as athist as they come, hell i was raised athist, FTW.

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On a similar note, I really do think that Islam is the religion of the Beast and the False Profit. If you look at the 12th Imam and the roll that he plays
http://worldnews.about.com/od/iran/f/12thimam.htm
he looks for all the world like the Beast of Revelations.
I don't think any religious law should be banned but if that law breaks Common Law(i.e. killing someone for leaving the faith, ect.) then the people responsible should be tried for murder under Common Law.

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faith, i am a as athist as they come, hell i was raised athist, FTW.
Your choice.See how easy that is for a Christian to say that to you then not have to kill you because you didn't convert?

Now if a muslim tries and gets you to convert to islam and you tell him no way man,I'm a atheist. According to the koran he/she would have to kill you.
Cool...No?

BTW I mean live with muslims,not in a muslim country.
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Your choice.See how easy that is for a Christian to say that to you then not have to kill you because you didn't convert?

Now if a muslim tries and gets you to convert to islam and you tell him no way man,I'm a atheist. According to the koran he/she would have to kill you.
Cool...No?

BTW I mean live with muslims,not in a muslim country.
Actually I have had a lot just shrug and not care, to a number of other highly non violent and often curious responses. A few weird looks and some “strange” replies,. I sometimes spend the night at my aunt in Brooklyn that is Muslims house. Also spent a few nights staying whit some Egyptian friends in sham-el at their house. A few times I whish Christian prothetizizers would whip out a glock and go to town after being stuck on the bus with them too long. ( really is it necessary all the way to Burlington Vermont?)
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Jesus isn't all about love.He is a jealous God.But that's another subject.

As for my statement about the Japanese I used them just because they were rounded up...foolishly,but they never lost face.I know history about a few things,not all.I've lived with muslims,my mother is Japanese making me half Japanese.On one side of my family we have a long history of Buddhists and on the other Baptist.I've been to every kind of religious service I could,read and studied religions and their history.Without a doubt after living with,reading and studying islam,IMHO is not a religion.

Did you watch the video?They do a good job of explaining islam.Even have some former muslim terrorists telling you that islam is not a peaceful religion.
If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.
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If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.
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If Jesus were like you, he would have called down fire on the San Hendrin, struck down Ponchus Pilot, slaughtered the Romans, and made Himself Empreror of Rome. Fortunately, He is not, otherwise He would have never have consented to die of the cross for people who hated Him, and there would no salvation for anyone at all.

I think I prefer the other Jesus, not yours.
Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?

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Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?
Ok religious man how do you know that some other religion does not have the true god and you are fallowing the false idol like you think they are?
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Apparently you can't read very well.
Where do you get this nonsense in your head?Let me guess...You're bipolar?

I use the term religion because most people (secular) see us as a religion.Either you follow Jesus or you don't.All other "religions" have false gods.You know like worshiping a idol.If you claim to be a Christian then you should know Jesus said "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
Do you as a Christian worship other false gods?Do you agree there are other gods?If you do you better read your Bible a bit more closely.
There is only One True God.I didn't want to go there because this is not the place.This is about muslims.But since you know my entire life from a few posts on the internet then lets hear your take on other "religions" and their false gods.Because that's what they are.
I'll be waiting to hear how your opinion on how Christians such as yourself should view these other "religions".

There is but One True God to a Christian. Do you not agree?
So, you're opinion of being a follower of Jesus is to destroy and torture all other competing religions? If that were the case would Jesus have offered salvation of the Gentile woman, or killed her? Would He have cast out the demon from the Greek woman's daughter, or killed them both? Please provide for me a biblical example of Jesus, a disciple, or an apostle who, instead of preaching and proseltyzing went around abusing and slaughtering "gentile" religions? Of course you may mention Saul, but after Jesus struck Him blind and he was converted and became Paul, he no longer praticed persecution.

What you are advocating is wholesale persecution. This spirit does not come from God, but from Satan.
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So, you're opinion of being a follower of Jesus is to destroy and torture all other competing religions? If that were the case would Jesus have offered salvation of the Gentile woman, or killed her? Would He have cast out the demon from the Greek woman's daughter, or killed them both? Please provide for me a biblical example of Jesus, a disciple, or an apostle who, instead of preaching and proseltyzing went around abusing and slaughtering "gentile" religions? Of course you may mention Saul, but after Jesus struck Him blind and he was converted and became Paul, he no longer praticed persecution.
What you are advocating is wholesale persecution. This spirit does not come from God, but from Satan.
Quote my post in this thread where I said I would destroy and torture musims.
Jesus indeed offered salvation to these you mentioned but you left out the part where He said "go and sin no more".
You have a serious reading comprehension problem.Again quote my post in this thread where I said abusing and slaughtering people.
You are a bleeding heart liberal who is touchy feely and doesn't want to offend anybody unless you see them as mean people.The things you made up that I wrote in this thread are the things the muslims will do to you.But you're to blind to see.You mingle with these folks and other "religions" but Christ said to separate yourself.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord.


Ok since you avoided my question can you answer it now or am I the only one between you and me who is doing the answering and you making stuff up (which is called lying and also a sin)?

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Ok religious man how do you know that some other religion does not have the true god and you are fallowing the false idol like you think they are?
LOL...

I am not a "religious person".You will find most "religious people" as fake or evil as they come.

Now how do I know because God said.These other "religions" do not preach God sent us His Son to die for our sins and its a gift.All we have to do is accept Him and separate from the evils of this world.You'd have to be a believer to understand.

God said any other god is a false god.He is everything good and He gives people freewill to choose.He is The Ancient of Days.
I rejected Him for many years,I fought in a war that I was so brutal it scared me and I don't scare easily.Death never scared me and still doesn't,I've been on my deathbed a few times for health reasons in the past few years.But what does scare me is the second death,one without the Honor to worship God.
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and having no clue what an Apostolic Pentecostal Church is. .
http://newlifeapostolicchurch.homestead.com/

I'm not in any pic or videos because I'm the black sheep...
I have a beard and Apostolic preachers say its a form of rebellion.I disagree.Oh well.
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