[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by DaBigBR

Just have somebody like ADCO shorten it for you...problem solved.

Hmmm........now you're giving me ideas!

[series1811]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

Yeah, I love it. I'm thinking of getting a personal one, actually, though it's hard to find an SBR-length barrel, which is what I want to do with it.

I had a Colt 9mm AR-15 with a 16 inch barrel, that was essential identical to it except for the barrel and the guts inside the receiver (apparently the select fire ones are designed with a different insides to keep people from switching the semi autos to select fire (I used to have a picture, looking into the two receivers that showed it).

I had thought about registering it as a SBR and having it cut down. ( It is amazing how much easier the 10.5 inch barrel is to handle than the 14 or 16 inch ones, when you are trying to get in and out of cars, clear rooms, or slinging the thing out of the way when you go hands on or do something else.)

I don't have it any more. I was trying to talk my brother-in-law out of selling me his boat and asked what I had to do to make it happen, and he said, "Sell me you 9mm Colt AR." Mine was barely pre-ban and this was back in the gun ban days, when they were really hard to get, and I got offered $2000 for that AR one time.

I regret I sold it.

But, I wanted that boat so he's got it now.

[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by series1811

I had a Colt 9mm AR-15 with a 16 inch barrel, that was essential identical to it except for the barrel and the guts inside the receiver (apparently the select fire ones are designed with a different insides to keep people from switching the semi autos to select fire (I used to have a picture, looking into the two receivers that showed it).

I had thought about registering it as a SBR and having it cut down. ( It is amazing how much easier the 10.5 inch barrel is to handle than the 14 or 16 inch ones, when you are trying to get in and out of cars, clear rooms, or slinging the thing out of the way when you go hands on or do something else.)

I don't have it any more. I was trying to talk my brother-in-law out of selling me his boat and asked what I had to do to make it happen, and he said, "Sell me you 9mm Colt AR." Mine was barely pre-ban and this was back in the gun ban days, when they were really hard to get, and I got offered $2000 for that AR one time.

I regret I sold it.

But, I wanted that boat so he's got it now.

Lol, I understand that. I'm thinking that, after AT with my guard unit, or maybe later on if I can work some serious OT, I may get one of the Colt 6450s and SBR it. The only thing I don't like is how, when you try to unload a magazine, sometimes it'll basically "explode" out, and eject 5-10 rounds at a time on you, so they go everywhere.

[GumbyDammit]

Our reserves & part-timers and a couple full time guys get to use some old school M16A1's that have A2 round handguards and have supposedly been updated with A2 rear sight aperatures (I haven't seen an A1 aperature for 20 years so can't confirm that).

Pretty much everyone else is carrying 416's in various configs. Very sweet guns.

My personal rifle is a Rock River sporting a 14.5 inch CMMG M4 SOCOM barrel w/ perm Phantom FH. I used to have a VLTOR rail and a bunch of crap hanging off of it. It was just too freakin heavy (especially with that barrell) and awkward. I went KISS and now it sports a crabine handguard, standard collapsible stock, EoTech and a Surefire G2 light in an Elzetta mount. That one with my M&P15 below...

[Glockdude1]

Originally Posted by Hack

I just have the basic M16A2 at work, with a switch block to keep the three round burst from going off, (one of the people hollering liability issue thought that one up). Straight basic rifle, complete with iron sights.

Ours are the Vietnam vintage A1's with full auto. For ART we got to shoot the 9mm SMG's for BPT. The selectors were NOT blocked.

Mine some how kept going to burst.......

[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by Glockdude1

Ours are the Vietnam vintage A1's with full auto. For ART we got to shoot the 9mm SMG's for BPT. The selectors were NOT blocked.

Mine some how kept going to burst.......

We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though

[lpo]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though

Is there a valid reason to buy a full-auto/burst rifle and then block it? Seems like they could just get a semi- auto and save some money.

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[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by lpo

Is there a valid reason to buy a full-auto/burst rifle and then block it? Seems like they could just get a semi- auto and save some money.

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Our M16A1s are military surplus weapons that were transferred to the DOJ, so pretty much free to us. I don't know how the SMGs came about, but I'm pretty sure another agency had them, then we had them transferred to us.

[series1811]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

We only use the SMGs, unless you're a LT or on DCT--they get to use the 16A1's. All of them have the selector block, though

We had those for a while. We were allowed by regulation to break them off (and you can do it easy with the sling) if we thought we needed full auto fire in a deadly force situation.

But, we all just left them in the carry bags instead of putting them on the guns. The FTU guys and the inspectors finally figured out no one was going to put them on in the field and got rid of them (our theory before that was you only have few seconds to decide if you need full auto, but you get several weeks notice when the inspectors are coming).

And, they made us qualify with full auto every time anyway.

[series1811]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

Lol, I understand that. I'm thinking that, after AT with my guard unit, or maybe later on if I can work some serious OT, I may get one of the Colt 6450s and SBR it. The only thing I don't like is how, when you try to unload a magazine, sometimes it'll basically "explode" out, and eject 5-10 rounds at a time on you, so they go everywhere.

Yeah, I remember the "golden shower" when it would puke all the rounds out of the mag. They are good guns though. If you ever have one jam (and it's usually a double feed) it's always the mag being worn out. If I ever had a jam, I scratched an X on the mag. If it jammed again, and it was the same mag (and it always was) I trashed it.

Also, if oil is not dripping out of the action, it needs more oil.

[cowboywannabe]

here is ours....











































































oh, thats right. we dont have any because we're still begging for tasers.

[lpo]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

Our M16A1s are military surplus weapons that were transferred to the DOJ, so pretty much free to us. I don't know how the SMGs came about, but I'm pretty sure another agency had them, then we had them transferred to us.

Ah. That makes sense if they were free. Thanks for the clarification.

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[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by series1811

We had those for a while. We were allowed by regulation to break them off (and you can do it easy with the sling) if we thought we needed full auto fire in a deadly force situation.

But, we all just left them in the carry bags instead of putting them on the guns. The FTU guys and the inspectors finally figured out no one was going to put them on in the field and got rid of them (our theory before that was you only have few seconds to decide if you need full auto, but you get several weeks notice when the inspectors are coming).

And, they made us qualify with full auto every time anyway.

I wish we could qual with full auto! I may just have to look at changing agencies now, lol.

Originally Posted by series1811

Yeah, I remember the "golden shower" when it would puke all the rounds out of the mag. They are good guns though. If you ever have one jam (and it's usually a double feed) it's always the mag being worn out. If I ever had a jam, I scratched an X on the mag. If it jammed again, and it was the same mag (and it always was) I trashed it.

Also, if oil is not dripping out of the action, it needs more oil.

Yeah, that's how most AR-pattern weapons are as far as oil.

We're supposed to count all of our rounds in the trucks when we start the shift, and account for every round. Well, I figured out really quickly how to use to count holes after I had the mag **** them out all over the truck, and I was digging under the seats for rounds for 10-15 minutes my first shift in the trucks.

Originally Posted by lpo

Ah. That makes sense if they were free. Thanks for the clarification.

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No problem!

[verdugo60]

There was a cool thread somebody had months ago on some forum about Philipono police or troops had Vietnam-era hand-me-down M14's. Those were the in 7.62 (308) and would become anti-aircraft guns from what I understood after about 3 rounds on full auto. I would love to try one of those with a PWS muzzle brake now a days and see how controllable they would be. I think lots of US PD's got them too in the70's and 80's when the M16 completely replaced them as the US battle rifle.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwAw&dur=100

[series1811]

Originally Posted by CJStudent

I wish we could qual with full auto! I may just have to look at changing agencies now, lol.

They replaced them with semi-auto .223's and even took up all the select fire .223's that were out (they still use them overseas). So they finally outsmarted us on that one.

But, really, the fun thing was just being able to go out and shoot full auto on weekends and stuff. Shooting beer cans, snakes, etc.

I do miss that (and the unlimited free ammo, my new agency is a little stingier).

[CJStudent]

Originally Posted by series1811

They replaced them with semi-auto .223's and even took up all the select fire .223's that were out (they still use them overseas). So they finally outsmarted us on that one.

But, really, the fun thing was just being able to go out and shoot full auto on weekends and stuff. Shooting beer cans, snakes, etc.

I do miss that (and the unlimited free ammo, my new agency is a little stingier).

Well that's no fun! Spoilsports.........

In all seriousness, at least you get practice ammo! If it's not a class or annual qual, we don't get to shoot.

[scottydl]

While we're on the topic, anyone have a good resource for effective cleaning/lubing a rifle after being out on the range? If you have military experience, then this is a no-brainer because you spent countless hours on rifle maintenance. But for someone without that background, cleaning and oiling a rifle is a lot more complex than your average pistol. I'd like to know how everyone else does it.

[GumbyDammit]

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

C'mon Dragoon, isn't it more like this? You old guys, always exaggerating, trying to fit in with the young hip crowd!

[golls17]

Originally Posted by Gos

In it's day that was quite the assult rifle....

Back when fully automatic meant muscle memory and semi-auto meant they caught you on an off-day...

[Bullman]

Originally Posted by GumbyDammit

C'mon Dragoon, isn't it more like this? You old guys, always exaggerating, trying to fit in with the young hip crowd!

I saw them use one of those on top shot here about a month ago, might have been a re run.

[LAWDOGKMS]

Can't figure out how to post pics from my ipad..duh

Got it figured out...

[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by jenrick

If you work eights, just turn your EOTech on with the "up" arrow, that'll give you 8 hours. Longer shifts, just hit the up arrow once a shift about six hours in, that'll give you another 8 hours.

-Jenrick

Or get an aimpoint and always leave it on


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[SCSU74]

Originally Posted by txleapd

I'm not a really a big Aimpoint fan. I much prefer the Eotech. It's not just the reticle, but I feel like it gives me a wider field of vision.

I was talking with a guy at work one day, and he made a comment about using an Eotech on my work gun. He regurgitated the common Aimpoint mantra, and kind of inferred I was being cheap due to my choice of optic.

I took it as an opportunity to mentor, so the next day I came in with my three other sights (CompM2, ACOG, and Reflex II). I explained to him my pros and cons, and reasoning for choosing the EOtech. I asked him why he preferred his CompM2 over the other sights. I got a blank stare, and then a stumbled response about internet and magazine reviews. Apparently, reading the opinions of internet commandos and magazine writers is now sufficient to make an informed decision...

That's one of the problems today. There are so many 'experts' who have no actual experience.



On a side note, I got rid of my Reflex II a little while ago. It was a 1X24... I would really like to pick up a 1X42, but they don't have one with a triangle reticle.

When choosing myself I asked the guys that are the full time range staff. Pretty much every one recommended aimpoint over eotech. They get a lot of eotechs in that are damaged or have stopped working. That and the fact most run on AA's, needing to be physically turned on for deployments, and being more expensive than the pro I got the choice was pretty simple.


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[Napalm561]

Rock River Arms Elite Operator 2
Chrome bolt carrier group
16" chrome molly 1:9 twist barrel
RRA tactical muzzle brake
flip front sight / gas block assembly
Ergo Sure-grip
Savvy Sniper single point sling
FVG
Sure-Fire 6P light
MI rear folding sight
Trijicon ACOG x3 .223F chevron optics on a
Larue Tactical mount
and several PMAGs loaded with 55gr HP or TAP per department policy.
This is my first rifle, and I love it, but I am already planning a second rifle....built from scratch.

[SAR]

We're issued M-16A1s, but we can purchase our own rifle if we wish. I bought a Colt 6920, and turned in the M-16. The old school rifle was pretty cool though.